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herebedragons
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Message 81 of 106 (743831)
12-05-2014 8:10 AM
Reply to: Message 78 by Colbard
12-05-2014 7:16 AM


Re: Water in the earth
Anything before that time used to be called Pre-historic, ie not in history at all.
Don't you think this is referring to written, human history? Not that pre-history is not history?
Now "prehistoric" is considered to be fact, but is it?
The core problem with Creationism being accepted as legitimate science is the way it handles hypothesis testing.
So, how one would need to approach the age of the earth from a creationist perspective, in order to be scientific, is to state the alternate hypothesis, Ha as: "The earth is approximately 6,000 years old." The null hypothesis H0 would then be: "The earth is NOT 6,000 years old." Tests and observations would then need to be made to see if Ha is supported; for example, all carbon dated samples would return an age of < or = 6,000 years. If a carbon dated age returns as 10,000 years old, then what you would have to say is "There is not enough evidence to reject H0." One could then look for ways that carbon dating could be flawed, develop some new assumptions about it and run new tests based on the revised assumptions (using the same, or a revised H0 and Ha).
But instead of approaching this issue in a scientific way (and this is an appropriate criticism, since creationists want to be accepted as legitimate science), they formulate their hypothesis testing all backwards. In other words, they state the research hypothesis as Ha "The earth is millions of years old." and H0 as "The earth is 6,000 years old." Then what they do is attach the Ha by bringing into question certain assumptions or inferences and then declare that "There is not enough evidence to reject H0 ."
I assume you have had a 9th grade science class, so you should understand what I am saying here. Go back and read the article you cited in light of what I just wrote and see if that is what the author is actually doing there. Hint: It is.
When people ask for "evidence" this is exactly what they are asking you and other creationists to do: support your Ha that the earth is about 6,000 years old. Attempting to bring into question the age of the earth being millions of years old and then declaring H0 of a 6,000 year old to be valid is NOT, I repeat NOT scientific.
HBD

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.

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herebedragons
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Message 82 of 106 (743832)
12-05-2014 8:16 AM
Reply to: Message 79 by Colbard
12-05-2014 7:35 AM


I don't believe the ancient layers in the earth with their corresponding fossils is evidence of millions of years per layer, unless there was a flood for each layer.
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There is hardly a place on the earth which does not reveal depositions, oceanic fossils, sedimentary layers etc. Everything is formed by flood water, wind, tectonic activities and natural erosion over a few thousand years.
It might be a good idea to study some actual geology before making statements such as this. There are some good threads on this very forum where creationists made these very claims, perhaps you could look them up and judge the arguments for yourself.
The rejection of that cause comes from an inadequate understanding of global flood dynamics.
There is no one on this earth that understands "global flood dynamics" since it is all made up.
HBD
Edited by herebedragons, : typo

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.

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