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Peter Lamont
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Message 241 of 305 (700893)
06-08-2013 8:11 PM
Reply to: Message 235 by Panda
06-08-2013 7:38 PM


!Re: Context
Panda, it's not nice when somebody proves you wrong. It's kinda frustrating.
That video is poorly made. I hope you don't judge me by it!
Well, it's been nice splitting hairs with you. As you say- see ya!

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Message 242 of 305 (700905)
06-09-2013 8:20 AM
Reply to: Message 236 by Peter Lamont
06-08-2013 7:51 PM


Personal Incredulity? If I read it in Wiki, that's still 'Personal Incredulity' to you
Yup. In this case Wikipedia is also engaged in personal incredulity
As for the 'observed omni-directional expansion of the Observable Universe,' don't forget that this 'expansion' is 'accelerating'.
Both are important to me. The former disproves your "theory", so you are ignoring it
as it shows our direction - Inwards. (page 1)
Assuming your conclusion again.
Can you see beyond the Observable Universe, JonF? Do tell me.
Same answer as last time. I'm amazed that you think you can.

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Message 243 of 305 (700906)
06-09-2013 8:25 AM
Reply to: Message 238 by Peter Lamont
06-08-2013 8:05 PM


Re: Irony meter hits the peg...
jonF, if Gravity built the Universe
Nobody thinks that.
it evolved from a huge cloud of hydrogen, it's finite
Not necessarily, if that cloud of hydrogen was infinite. And, of course, there's lots going on before a cloud oF hydrogen.
I'm actually looking for a bit of agreement in this thread.
I've already agreed that I can't see beyond the OU, although you seem to think you can. When your claims are correct or reasonable, we'll agree. Nobody's going to agree to loony unfounded ideas that ignore vast swathes of contradictory evidence.

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Peter Lamont
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Message 244 of 305 (700922)
06-09-2013 6:19 PM
Reply to: Message 219 by New Cat's Eye
06-08-2013 11:09 AM


Re: Irony meter hits the peg...
Catholic Scientist, I don't want to argue 'barycenter' with you. I think there are more interesting matters within the Observable Universe (OU) don't you?
This 'accelerating expansion' the OU is engaged in. The only kind of expansion that accelerates and keeps accelerating is Inward.
Did you read my 'Observational Evidence' on page 1? If you haven't, I think you should.

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Peter Lamont
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Message 245 of 305 (700923)
06-09-2013 6:19 PM
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06-08-2013 11:09 AM


Re: Irony meter hits the peg...
Catholic Scientist, I don't want to argue 'barycenter' with you. I think there are more interesting matters within the Observable Universe (OU) don't you?
This 'accelerating expansion' the OU is engaged in. The only kind of expansion that accelerates and keeps accelerating is Inward.
Did you read my 'Observational Evidence' on page 1? If you haven't, I think you should.

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Peter Lamont
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Message 246 of 305 (700924)
06-09-2013 6:27 PM
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06-09-2013 8:25 AM


Re: Irony meter hits the peg...
JonF, your Universe is infinite? Let's see...
Even one second after the Big-Bang, even travelling at the speed of light, your Universe couldn't have been wider than 400,000 miles.
That 400,000 miles is a finite number, isn't it? So how do you go from finite to infinite. Is it something that happens fast, or perhaps only very slowly? Do tell.

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Peter Lamont
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Message 247 of 305 (700925)
06-09-2013 6:27 PM
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06-09-2013 8:25 AM


Re: Irony meter hits the peg...
JonF, your Universe is infinite? Let's see...
Even one second after the Big-Bang, even travelling at the speed of light, your Universe couldn't have been wider than 400,000 miles.
That 400,000 miles is a finite number, isn't it? So how do you go from finite to infinite. Is it something that happens fast, or perhaps only very slowly? Do tell.

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Peter Lamont
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Message 248 of 305 (700926)
06-09-2013 6:34 PM
Reply to: Message 224 by Panda
06-08-2013 12:18 PM


Re: Irony meter hits the peg...
Yes Panda - the weight at the barycenter, includuing the weight of the teeter-totter is going to be at least 200 pounds. You can't see this?
That's why you like splitting hairs - it's easier than coming up with something of your own. Well good luck, and as you say, 'Bye'.

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Peter Lamont
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Message 249 of 305 (700927)
06-09-2013 6:50 PM
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06-08-2013 11:38 AM


Re: Irony meter hits the peg...
JonF, Whatever!

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Message 250 of 305 (700928)
06-09-2013 6:52 PM
Reply to: Message 247 by Peter Lamont
06-09-2013 6:27 PM


Re: Irony meter hits the peg...
Peter, do you remember what you're doing that is so consistently causing double posts? If you can tell me what is doing it then I may be able to fix it.

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Peter Lamont
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Message 251 of 305 (700929)
06-09-2013 7:05 PM
Reply to: Message 225 by Percy
06-08-2013 12:23 PM


Re: Context
Percy, how can you say the expansion deccelrerated? There is absolutely no evidence - zero - for any 'slowing down' or 'deccelerating' of the expansion. If I say you are talking thru' your hat, you can't prove me wrong.
The expansion began slowly, but has since accelerated and continues to accelerate.
Just because I say Gravity runs the Universe, you think I'm not well, but Gravity is real and the jury is still out on 'Anti-Gravity.'
It's Gravity that keeps us orbiting the sun, not Anti-Gravity. Get youir thumb out of your mouth and wake up, Percy.

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Message 252 of 305 (700932)
06-09-2013 8:03 PM
Reply to: Message 251 by Peter Lamont
06-09-2013 7:05 PM


Re: Context
Percy, how can you say the expansion deccelrerated? There is absolutely no evidence - zero - for any 'slowing down' or 'deccelerating' of the expansion.
Finally a reasonable question. The current theory is that the universe began with a period of inflation during which the size of the universe increased by a factor of 1050 or so. This inflationary period accounts for a number of observable phenomena in the universe
Physics - Can we test inflationary expansion of the early universe?
quote:
Such a period would explain why the universe today appears very nearly spatially flat on average (even though the dynamics of the expanding universe generically drive it away from flatness). It would also explain why the microwave background today has almost the same temperature in all sky directions (even though in the standard cosmology, most points of origin for the microwave radiation we see today were never within each others’ causal horizon, meaning they were never in causal contact).
Of course the universe is not expanding at anything like that early rate. So the rate of expansion must have slowed before accelerating as is doing today.
Further it is space that is expanding. You talk about us epxanding towards a black hole as if expansion means that objects in space are all moving apart through space. This is absolutely the wrong picture of what expansion is all about.
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Peter Lamont
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Message 253 of 305 (700935)
06-09-2013 8:17 PM
Reply to: Message 221 by Panda
06-08-2013 11:44 AM


Re: Irony meter hits the peg...
Panmdas, I'm not interersted in this 'average density' thing. I'm getting kinda tired of answering your posts.
What I want to know is; Can you see beyond the Observable Universe?

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Peter Lamont
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Message 254 of 305 (700936)
06-09-2013 8:17 PM
Reply to: Message 221 by Panda
06-08-2013 11:44 AM


Re: Irony meter hits the peg...
Panmdas, I'm not interersted in this 'average density' thing. I'm getting kinda tired of answering your posts.
What I want to know is; Can you see beyond the Observable Universe?

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Peter Lamont
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Posts: 147
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Message 255 of 305 (700937)
06-09-2013 8:22 PM
Reply to: Message 250 by Admin
06-09-2013 6:52 PM


Hi Admin, it's my fault - sometimes when I'm scrolling thru', I see something that I think needs an answer and only later I realise I've already answered. Sorry, I'll watch that!

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