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Author Topic:   Is it egotistical to think that a God would die for you?
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Message 11 of 169 (700745)
06-06-2013 7:45 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Heathen
06-04-2013 3:59 AM


wait.. have I missed something?
is God dead?
Good lord, man, where you been?
NYTimes carried his obit April 8, 1966.
The actual death was anounced by Nietzsche back in 1882 but the NYTimes finally caught up in 1966. A little slow on the uptake there, but hey, it was a busy century and not a lot of print space up till then.

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Message 116 of 169 (702335)
07-04-2013 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 115 by Straggler
07-04-2013 12:58 PM


Ecstasy
Actually being separated from this particular non-existant ghostly godly thing lets you have all kinds of good sex without feeling the least bit guilty. And with more than one partner if you're so inclined.
Edited by AZPaul3, : Sometimes I can invent spelling that just takes ones breath away.

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Message 122 of 169 (702352)
07-04-2013 6:06 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by ICANT
07-04-2013 1:39 PM


Re: Agony
The agony does not begin until the physical body dies and the spiritual being is placed in the holding place until the great white throne judgment at which time that spiritual being will be cast into the lake of fire and separated from God for eternity.
Oh how infinitely loving of your god.

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Message 124 of 169 (702361)
07-04-2013 10:49 PM
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07-04-2013 9:38 PM


Re: Agony
Now let's see you change the subject and complain that He doesn't exist anyway.
Well, OK. Just remember that you insisted.
It's not real. It doesn't exist so I don't have to be the least bit concerned.
And thank god it doesn't exist. If such an evil, sadistic, homicidal, megalomaniac were real then this world would not be worth having a life in. Yes, I would oppose it. Yes, I would curse its bloodlust, its slaughter of the innocent and its total murderous disdain for all humanity. I would be in your god awful lake of fire and every time it tortured me I would have cause to hate it even more.
If I told my daughter, well when she was younger and at home, that she will love, respect and obey me "or else," do you think this would garner feelings of love from her?
If I told her that she is free to love, respect and obey me as she feels, but if she doesn't I will chain her to her bed and whip her 5 times a day, not for a week or a month or a year but for the rest of her short miserable life ... do you really believe this shows my "infinite love" for her?
This is exactly your conception of your god.
What kind of sick little mind would conceive such an abhorrent contemptible monster and then pray to it, bow before it, worship it and love it?
An infinitely loving god would do away with torture, would dissolve your other god Satan, cure all cancers in kids, stop all wars. It would show its love to us, not by torturing and murdering some messenger, but by protecting, teaching, helping, without pain, without blood, without the need to cajole worship, without even a need for a thank you. THAT would be infinite love. Unconditional.
What you conceive is an abomination.

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Message 126 of 169 (702363)
07-05-2013 12:25 AM
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07-04-2013 11:23 PM


Re: Agony
... ideas that precede the Bible by centuries.
What we've been saying. Your god is a third generation knockoff with attributes stolen from the myths of the other non-existent gods and just as "real?" as the delusions of the gods before.
Along comes the Bible to tell us we don't have to go there because of God's gracious provision and instead of gratitude people here make the Bible responsible for inventing an afterlife that had in fact always been recognized.
No one said your version of a bible was the first with an afterlife or with a virgin birth, or with walking on water, or a guaranteed salvation vs an eternity of torture and etc., like that. We already know your religions are fictitious growths glommed on to the religions from before.
None of this is the point.
The point is that your religion, no matter where it got the memes, latched on to a schizoid sadist of a god that you say made humans and loves humans and then goes and tortures and kills us by the world-full after getting a bit cranky because not enough people "loved" it back. Then you tell us that it's an infinite loving god that will torture and burn us for eternity if we don't worship it enough and in exactly the way it wants.
So it is your god, your religion, your conception of its infinitely loving murderous demeanor that is the issue here, not where all the bullshit you picked up in bits a pieces then package into your god came from originally.
Even some very weird notions about salvation show up in various cultures, all those dying gods, "resurrected" gods and so on, whose deaths and resurrections are just a parody of the real thing and couldn't save a turnip.
So now your god doesn't like turnips any more than it likes people?

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