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 Message 46 of 65 (717547) 01-28-2014 6:07 PM

xkcd

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 Message 47 of 65 (717570) 01-29-2014 8:46 AM Reply to: Message 46 by Dr Adequate01-28-2014 6:07 PM

Re: xkcd

Yay RI Senator Whitehouse

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 Message 48 of 65 (717571) 01-29-2014 9:21 AM Reply to: Message 44 by ProtoTypical01-19-2014 9:57 AM

Re: Repent! The end is nigh!
The earth weighs 6*10^24 kg. You are talking about moving around about 3*10^16kg. I understand that the answer does depend on how far we move the water away from the spin axis, but probably not significant.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.
Richard P. Feynman

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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 Message 49 of 65 (717661) 01-30-2014 3:30 AM Reply to: Message 46 by Dr Adequate01-28-2014 6:07 PM

Map of sad state of education
While little should surprise anymore, this somewhat did. In thousands of schools across (but fortunately not throughout the US) children are denied knowledge. Someone made a nice correlation noting that the states that are the most creationist-friendly/truth-adverse are also those in which you´re okay marrying your cousins or siblings (of opposite sex).

http://www.slate.com/...tax_money_supports_alternatives.html

For a while I pondered whether the proponents of creationism are evil or intellectually challenged - then it became clear to me, they are both at the same time. I honestly cannot think of a group of people I´d loath more than these - I cannot bring myself to hate anyone but...

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 Message 50 of 65 (719106) 02-11-2014 12:45 PM

Doomed doomed doomed
The end is nigh!
http://www.nytimes.com/...eezing-out-the-bigger-picture.html

What this tells us is that our ability to make decisions as a group is so hopelessly inadequate to the task at hand that we will carry right on until half of us drown and the other half starve.

 It gets wackier: People surveyed in a hot room are more likely to say global warming is real, compared with folks in a cold room. Our rational minds may know the temperature is being controlled by a thermostat, but the logic somehow breaks down before we answer the survey questions.

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 Message 51 of 65 (719109) 02-11-2014 1:25 PM Reply to: Message 50 by NosyNed02-11-2014 12:45 PM

Re: Doomed doomed doomed
 What this tells us is that our ability to make decisions as a group is so hopelessly inadequate to the task at hand that we will carry right on until half of us drown and the other half starve.

There is something to be said for an authoritarian government. At least something moves forward, even if it is in the wrong direction at times. It is no wonder that the French overthrew their king only to turn around and give it over to Emperor Napoleon.

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 Message 52 of 65 (719116) 02-11-2014 2:26 PM Reply to: Message 50 by NosyNed02-11-2014 12:45 PM

Re: Doomed doomed de doomed doomed
http://www.salon.com/...port_on_the_end_of_the_world_partner

quote:
The media’s apocalypse problem: How do you report on the end of the world?

Here’s the scoop: When it comes to climate change, there is no “story,” not in the normal news sense anyway.

The fact that 97% of scientists who have weighed in on the issue believe that climate change is a human-caused phenomenon is not a story. That only one of 9,137 peer-reviewed papers on climate change published between November 2012 and December 2013 rejected human causation is not a story either, nor is the fact that only 24 out of 13,950 such articles did so over 21 years. That the anything-but-extreme Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) offers an at least 95% guarantee of human causation for global warming is not a story, nor is the recent revelation that IPCC experts believe we only have 15 years left to rein in carbon emissions or ...

What makes climate change so challenging is that the carbon dioxide (and methane) being generated by the extraction, production, and burning of fossil fuels supports the most profitable corporations in history, ...

In fact, one of the grim wonders of climate change has been the ability of Big Energy and its lobbyists to politicize an issue that wouldn’t normally have a “left” or “right,” and to make bad science into an ongoing news story. In other words, an achievement that couldn’t be morecriminal in nature has also been their great coup de théâtre.

People would rather watch sports.

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 Message 53 of 65 (719762) 02-17-2014 5:24 PM

Bill Nye The Science Guy take on (airhead?) politician denier.
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http://www.salon.com/...s_show_host_bill_nye_the_science_guy

quote:
This Sunday, “Meet the Press,” the renowned televised political news forum, will host a discussion of climate change — perhaps the single most pressing issue of our time — featuring a professional children’s entertainer and a Republican member of Congress. Yes, David Gregory will be refereeing a “debate” — their word — between “Bill Nye ‘The Science Guy’ and Tennessee Republican Congresswoman Marsha Blackburn, Vice Chair of the House Energy and Commerce Committee.” Nye will be arguing the pro (climate change is real and bad) and Blackburn will be arguing the anti (climate change is made up and not bad).

Now the results are in:

“Meet the Press” to host climate change “debate” between GOP’s Marsha Blackburn and Bill Nye “the Science Guy”

quote:
What’s insulting (and insane) is that there is to be a “debate” at all, on one of America’s supposed premier news talk shows. What’s scary is that the side of this debate that is wrong, and that is wrong in a way that will very probably lead to worldwide disaster in a few generations, is taken seriously because it is the side taken by one of America’s two dominant political parties.

Watch it HERE

Rep. Marsha Blackburn: "we have done something" (lists a bunch of laws to reduce greenhouse gases) "we voted no" -- yep, republicans think that voting no is doing something.

Really?

I have a couple of questions for Rep Blackburn:

1. when your house is burning should you have a cost-benefit analysis done by the insurance company before beginning to fight the fire?
2. how do you measure the cost of doing nothing when
1. the costs of cleanup from Katrina are not fully known because they are ongoing
2. the costs of cleanup from Sandy are not fully known because they are ongoing
3. the costs of drought in California are not fully known because they are ongoing
4. the costs of forest fires in the west are not fully known because they are ongoing
5. the costs of rising oceans is not fully known, because it is just beginning

The benefit of doing something is a better world ... it should be a no-brainer.

AND now some reality checking:

There’s no “warming pause” — trade winds are burying heat in the Pacific

quote:
Global average land temperatures have not increased as quickly as many scientists had expected over the past 10 or 15 years, leading some climate skeptics to latch onto the bogus idea of a “global warming pause.” Last year researchers reported that much of the “missing heat” was not in fact missing but rather was being sucked up by the oceans.

Now new research helps explain why excess heat is being absorbed into the sea: big-ass winds.

“Global warming hasn’t stalled at all,” Matthew England, a professor at the University of New South Wales in Australia and lead author of the paper, told Grist. “There’s just more heat going into the oceans at the moment.”

Since the turn of the century, the IPO has been in a negative phase, which is marked by strong trade winds in the Pacific. Researchers used models to simulate the effects of these winds on ocean currents and discovered that the strong winds increase the amount of warm water that sinks below the surface, while increasing the amount of cold water that burbles up from ocean depths near the equator.

And that has helped bury extra heat at sea — for now.

So get ready for a big spike when the IPO cycle reverses ...

Prediction: we will see more and larger effects in the near future than we have seen to date.

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 Message 54 of 65 (719764) 02-17-2014 8:19 PM

Tomorrow's forecast for Snyder: 78 F or 25 C. February 18.
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 Message 55 of 65 (719765) 02-17-2014 8:27 PM Reply to: Message 54 by Coragyps02-17-2014 8:19 PM

Tomorrow's forecast for South Range, WI: 36F or 2C.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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 Message 56 of 65 (719766) 02-17-2014 8:56 PM Reply to: Message 55 by Theodoric02-17-2014 8:27 PM

 Snyder: 78 F or 25 C.

 South Range, WI: 36F or 2C.

See?! There it is folks. They cancel each other out. There is no global warming.

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 Message 57 of 65 (719768) 02-17-2014 9:08 PM Reply to: Message 56 by AZPaul302-17-2014 8:56 PM

36 is 6 over historical average. Which means absolutely nothing

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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 Message 58 of 65 (719769) 02-17-2014 9:19 PM Reply to: Message 57 by Theodoric02-17-2014 9:08 PM

This week in Phoenix the temp has been in the upper 80s. Well above average for Feb. Next week, however, the temp is expected in the low-mid 70s.

That means that next week we will be wiping out all of that global war from this week!

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 Message 59 of 65 (719771) 02-17-2014 10:18 PM Reply to: Message 57 by Theodoric02-17-2014 9:08 PM

We had a blizzard today here in Southern WI. Fucking awesome.

"Science is interesting, and if you don't agree you can fuck off." -Dawkins

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 Message 60 of 65 (719772) 02-17-2014 10:52 PM Reply to: Message 59 by hooah21200202-17-2014 10:18 PM

Damn belt kept slipping off on my snowblower.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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