Message 17 of 20 (739288)
10-22-2014 1:09 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by zaius137
10-21-2014 11:29 PM
Re: iterative feedback response to different ecological challenges and opportunities
|Is EES divorcing itself from formal reductionism?|
Well first of all, there is not currently an EES. What we are discussing is should there BE an EES.
So, should an EES divorce itself from reductionism? Well, I would say yes and no. Whenever you are trying to understand a complex system, obviously you will need to break it down into its constituent parts. But on the other hand, the whole is often greater than the sum of its parts. However, I would also add that your characterization that the current synthesis is married to the concept of reductionism is not really valid. Perhaps you could clarify.
| How does EES affect basic biochemical research defining evolution|
That's a good question. Those that suggest that there is no need for an EES would say that it would not affect biochemical research, which is why there is no need for it. My thought is that we are already approaching biochemical research from a non-genecentric approach and an EES would be more about incorporating this into a more formal framework.
|I suppose a updated version of ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny is in order because Haeckel’s fabrication is a bit worn out.|
It is worn out. I am tired of hearing creationists bring it up.
|Noting that observable changes in genotype are beyond empirical observation, genotype changes can be rejected out of hand.|
What does that even mean? Observable changes are beyond empirical observation?
|So that leaves phenotype variance as related to the “whole biome approach”… Wait a minute that would be adaptation by natural selection|
Yeah, I don't get your point here.
|I think “if” should be at the heart of EES. Just my opinion.|
"If" what? If evolution occurs? That evolution does occur is a forgone conclusion. There is no "if." If humans evolved from apes, or if mammals evolved from reptile ancestors, or if birds evolved from theropod dinosaurs, is that what you are talking about? Certainly those questions will never be answered to the satisfaction of creationists, but our current knowledge suggests that the "if" question is already answered.
Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.
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