Chariots of God (Scripture & Photo Examined)

A dove. (Luke 3:22.) How can you determine that this isn't a photograph of the Holy Spirit in bodily form? It looks just like it, unlike your picture which looks like out-of-focus dust.

That's not what the Bible says:

The Holy Spirit descended, as the Bible says, in the bodily shape of a dove.In the original Greek: "καὶ καταβῆναι τὸ Πνεῦμα τὸ Ἅγιον σωματικῷ εἴδει ὡς περιστερὰν ἐπ’ αὐτόν".Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

I still think that the Bible means what it says. 'Cos if it doesn't, then who knows what it means? If we ignore the actual words, the Gospel of Matthew might be about a happy little hippopotamus on a quest to find a cut-price hat shop.

And yet in the event your answer turned out to be shit. So that's something else you were wrong about.

There are those who claim God became incarnate as a lowly carpenter's son. Pfft. No, I just read it. "καὶ καταβῆναι τὸ Πνεῦμα τὸ Ἅγιον σωματικῷ εἴδει ὡς περιστερὰν ἐπ’ αὐτόν." This isn't interpretation, it's just translation: "And descended the Holy Spirit [lit. "the Spirit the Holy"] in a bodily form like a dove upon him."

If it wants to be visible, it has to look like something. Apparently, it went with a dove, a choice which has inspired artists and poets for two millennia. OK, I'll read it again. "καὶ καταβῆναι τὸ Πνεῦμα τὸ Ἅγιον σωματικῷ εἴδει ὡς περιστερὰν ἐπ’ αὐτόν." - "And descended the Holy Spirit [lit. "the Spirit the Holy"] in a bodily form like a dove upon him." That's just what it says. It doesn't say your thing. It says that.

The Holy Spirit was in a bodily form like a dove.This should clear it up for you, but probably won't, because of that thing with your brain.Luke 3:22: "καὶ καταβῆναι τὸ Πνεῦμα τὸ Ἅγιον σωματικῷ εἴδει ὡς περιστερὰν ἐπ’ αὐτόν." - "And descended the Holy Spirit [lit. "the Spirit the Holy"] in a bodily form like a dove upon him."

Yes dear. That's nice. Read Luke 3:22 and you'll find out that the Spirit was in the bodily form of a dove. Which would explain why it descended like a dove. It is not an interpretation. It's the actual words. "σωματικῷ εἴδει ὡς περιστερὰν" - "in a bodily form like a dove". That's what the Bible says. But since you can't tell the difference between dust and the Holy Spirit, I'm not surprised you can't tell the difference between me and St. Luke. As you are evidently a moron, it would be as well for you not to try to patronize people.Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

No. I understand exactly what "σωματικῷ εἴδει ὡς περιστερὰν" means. It means "in a bodily form like a dove". This is why people who are paid to translate Koine Greek translate it that way. Translating Greek is not above their pay grade. It is, however, above yours, isn't it?

Hey, halfwit. First of all, let me explain this again. I am not St. Luke. Second, the phrase "σωματικῷ εἴδει ὡς περιστερὰν" means "in a bodily form like a dove" in any given context. There is no conceivable context in which it means anything else.

Yes, it conveys the idea "And descended the Holy Spirit in a bodily form like a dove upon him."Do you admit now that this is what it says, and what it means? Yes, I do that way too much for your taste. I also understand the Greek. And what I understand it as meaning is "And descended the Holy Spirit in a bodily form like a dove upon him." I do not understand it as meaning "And descended the Holy Spirit in a bodily form not like a dove upon him", because I am not a willful liar or a complete fucking moron.

I agree that the Gospel of John says that.Do you agree that the Gospel of Luke says: "καὶ καταβῆναι τὸ Πνεῦμα τὸ Ἅγιον σωματικῷ εἴδει ὡς περιστερὰν ἐπ’ αὐτόν." - "And descended the Holy Spirit [lit. "the Spirit the Holy"] in a bodily form like a dove upon him." I think we are ready to concede that you're a very special snowflake.

Very well, I retract my remark: you are not a very special snowflake.

OK. Using the Bible, which of these is the Holy Spirit, and which are ... well, what are the others?