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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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This internet porn thing is reminiscent of the warnings we had and ignored about that evil swivel-hips Elvis character and his demon cohort Buddy Holly. They not only ruined the moral fabric of an entire generation of American youth they set the stage for the free-love hippy demon-morality generations to come totally destroying the very underpinnings of moral American society.
As a consequence we ended up with a totally screwed up society just like all the others in generations past ... but with better music.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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There does seem to be a lot of crap on the internet, but my understanding is that most porn sites are not free. I don't know how many kids have credit cards, but I don't expect very many are going to be willing to pay very much for porn. Maybe Jon is right. Nah. But, you do need to get out more. Three of the biggest most popular porn sites on the net are free and they contain, so I'm told ... by other people, so many "categories" as to keep a dedicated 10-year old enthralled until he gets out of high school.
The biggest victims of porn are children and those who are powerless that are being exploited to produce it. That continues, in spades, I'm sure. The most interesting thing to my It's a human thing and there is no stopping it.
...but parents should be putting everything on the web in perspective for their kids. You do your best to give your kids a set of values, but eventually they will grow up and make their own decisions. So true.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
so I'm told
Why rely on what you're told? Are you really this naive, Jon?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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you ignore the addiction angle and that put's it a cut above as it warns of a real phenomenon Does it?
Does Porn Hurt Children? quote: But everyone just knows that porn leads to sex addiction and violence.
quote: So the only link between porn and bad behavior is that so many kids engage in both. Kids also eat ice cream and kids often masturbate. Causal?
quote: But everyone just knows that porn leads to sex addiction and violence. No one is saying there is no effect. But to what extent?
quote: So, is there a real problem between kids and porn? Yes, but apparently the real problem is not what we all seem to just know.
quote: Is internet porn ruining our next generation? If our next generation is being ruined is the cause porn or cell phones or music or TV or parenting or ...?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Loosen up, or you'll end up like Tanypteryx. Could do a whole lot worse. Could end up like ... someone else.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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So the only link between porn and bad behavior is that so many kids engage in both.
Sounds just like when we were kids. I lucked out and ended up just like Tanypteryx There you have it. All that porn as a kid led you to chasing bugs with a camera. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Watching porn must be the only known activity that hurts absolutely no one. Then you misread my message, the article and, if you had wanted to follow the cites, the studies.
quote: There is a reason I lifted this quote from Dr. Owens for my message. I saw you coming. You can list a dozen cites for A, someone else can counter with a dozen cites for B. What this means is that there is no settled consensus by the experts in the discipline. In other words, We ... don't ... know!
Is internet porn ruining our next generation? We ... don't ... know!
Is censorship the answer? (presuppose much?) We ... don't ... know, is a terrible excuse to put limits on the First Amendment.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
This has a few and if you want more, let me know. quote: The point is lost on you.
...you can find all kinds of testimonials and workers in the field that are alarmed at the numbers. Since the topic is the effects of viewing internet porn by teens your clutching at exploitation of sex workers is just smoke and mirrors to obfuscate the science that is out there on that specific topic. Clutch all you want. The science remains inconclusive.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
I started out wanting to be a pornographer.... OK, not here. This is a family thread. We need to get back over to your Costa Rica thread and have a talk about those bug pictures you're NOT showing us.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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It was conclusive enough for the British government to be able to pass a law to cover it. Politicians playing emotion on a national stage? Is that your evidence? Note also that the British debate never mentioned the science, mentioned a lot about child porn and even more about rape-culture porn. That IS NOT what this thread is about. You do remember the OP you wrote, don't you, DL? Maybe you should go back and re-read it to remember what this thread is about. Does it mention, anywhere, about the dangers to a child in pornography? Does it mention, anywhere, about the trauma of rape-culture pornography? You do know that both of these are banned already in the USA?Does it mention, anywhere, about the the abuse of sex-trade workers? Your basic premise, since you need reminding, is that teens are being ruined by seeing adult porn on the internet. I have shown you where the experts, the smart people who study this stuff as a discipline, are of the firm convinced opinion that they really do not know! Again with the smoke and mirrors trying to hide the loss of your pet theme. Child porn, rape-culture porn, abuse of sex workers belongs in another thread. There is real harm there.
Is internet porn ruining our next generation? Again, the science is inconclusive on the effect of adult internet porn on young teens. We cannot say that it is harmful (and to what extend, major or mild) or that it isn't. No smoke or mirrors necessary. No obfuscation required. You asked the question and now you have your answer.
Is censorship the answer? Answer to what? Is censorship the answer to a problem you can't show actually exists? Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given. Edited by AZPaul3, : better explanations, I hope
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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I think I have shown that the problem exists. What you have shown is that you assume a problem exists and that it is "ruining" (whatever that is) an entire generation of young. Porn vs teen is not a new controversy. The issue has been studied for decades. You cannot have shown a problem exists because no one, after decades of study, can show a problem exists despite increased availability on the internet.
...ignoring all the personal testimonials that we can access that show harm exists. One of the things science has taught us over these past few centuries is that personal testimonials are notoriously bad as evidence. No matter how many there are they can only point to a possibility of an issue, they are not evidence of an issue. The plural of anecdote is not data.
... you should consider if we should ere on the side of overprotecting the young or ere on the side of ignoring that protection... Once we establish what the facts on the ground are (and the facts in this case are: we don't know) then we can have this discussion on whether we should impose restrictions anyway. That becomes a political discussion and is a matter of opinion. You and I will disagree on this part of the discussion. I cannot agree to limiting First Amendment rights, imposing censorship on the entire population of a nation of such diverse cultures, without there being a compelling, nay, an overwhelming body of evidence that makes such a drastic curtailment of personal freedom justifiable and necessary. I find that to err on the side of caution, as you would suggest in this case, is insufficient reason to warrant such a drastic step into censorship and the curtailment of personal freedom. You will disagree and that's the way the world works. We will agree to disagree and can now go on to bigger and better things. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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I showed that as high as 50% of children between 12 and 25 are being affected to the point of dysfunction and addiction. You have shown no such thing.
Message 41 and Message 52 After decades of study the evidence in the discipline turns up inconclusive.
I showed that as high as 50% of children between 12 and 25 are being affected to the point of dysfunction and addiction. You have shown no such thing.
How high of a rate of damage would you tolerate before advocating for censorship? Considerably higher than your no-show.
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