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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
GDR writes: First lets define a few terms, shall we? It is my view that Christian fundamentalism as is seen in the western world, although predominately in the US, is an aberration of the Christian faith.Fundamentalist-(Urban Dictionary had the funniest response! quote:I would say that Christians who do not consider themselves fundamentalists--or at least conservative--believe in scripture as inspired by God. This does not necessitate that it be word for word literal. I persionally lean towards a belief in thought for thought literalism. As a sidenote, our very own Ringo has a quote that bears repeating. To wit: Ringo writes:
An atheist says, "My spirit is my psyche."An agnostic says, "My spirit might have an external source. I don't know." A theist says, "My spirit comes from God." A fundamentalist says, "My spirit comes from God, but yours doesn't." GDR writes: I somewhat agree with you--as we discuss this more I will define my own position. In this case it is a religion that combines the idea of an inerrant Bible, politics and American nationalism. My view is that we are comparing that with a Christianity based on Scripture, reason and tradition. (I view tradition as being the accumulated wisdom over time and particularly since the time of the resurrection.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
As for letting the end times slide as slide they will, we are never told in scripture to let evil triumph. Our job is always to be supporting righteousness even against impossible odds. I would say that our job is to allow righteousness to live through us. It is possible, and it requires more humility than i currently possess.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Quite frankly, I dont believe that a christian should ever be president of the united States due to conflict of interest. The interests of the United States are not what Jesus would advocate, in my opinion.
Of course the alternative president would be worse....so this is not an easy issue to discuss. Were we a Theocracy rather than a Democracy (or Republic, according to some) the issue would be easier.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
The United States had different interests in IKEs time.
Our national focus has faded since then, IMHO.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Percy writes: So it means "good news". I have been taught that the words are alive. If anyone of you were speaking a life or death message of common significance, and if you were certain that what you heard came directly or indirectly from God, aside from critically examining your "certainty" wouldnt you be sure and articulate whatever you told others with the importance of the source and content of such a message? There is not just one meaning of gospel, and someone can choose whichever one they like, hopefully making the one they intended clear from context. Edited by Phat, : ? addedChance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
How are words alive? They have been initially formed in the mind of a living being, arranged in the manner that the being wishes to communicate. Filtered through translators diminishes the impact only if the message has changed.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Unless you test the message against reality how can you tell if it has any value, importance, significance or is from any particular source? True. And the God in whom I believe equates to reality,as far as I can tell so far.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
If I form a jug is the jug alive? Is this your best attempt at communication? With a jug?
If someone translates the jug does it have any meaning? How does one translate a jug? More so, a Creator by definition does more than sit on a potters wheel forming jugs. The entire point of the Word becoming flesh and dwelling among us was and iscommunication. Lets take a recent Bible Study i had-how to differentiate the will of God from the plan of God. Of course, you will likely ask me all sorts of non-believing questions like "how do I know god is alive? or How do I know God is real...etc etc. Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
jar writes: Sounds like the words of an honest agnostic to me. How do you test to see if something is the will of God? How do you test to determine if something is the Plan of God? What are the tests? Do any of the tests require some prior conditions of YOUR personal beliefs? Can the tests be done with consistent results whether the tester is a believer or non-believer? Compare what you describe to what scientists do. It is irrelevant what the tester believes the answer should be, the results are what the testing device shows. The testing device itself is tested before and after the test to remove any artifacts that are the result of the device itself. And there are outside independent folk that are also testing and their results must match the earlier results or there is a full stop until the discrepancies are explained and understood.When we read Tom Sawyer, we expect the words of Mark Twain to come through the characters. If we simply said that many unknown folks wrote Tom Sawyer, would the stories IMPACT be any less? Heck, what if computers "wrote" it? How would we test the truthfulness of the words,phrases and stories against "reality"? Is it possible for a computer to be truthful? Is it possible for a computer to lie? Is it possible for a computer to have an ulterior motive? Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
GDR writes: I wonder if our Creator cares who we vote for or how we decide? Frankly in the US right now I have no idea who I would support. I obviously don't vote. If I were to be voting in the US I would normally favour the Republicans but there are many times I have favoured the democratic candidate.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
jar writes: You always say this, and yet I honestly am unconscious of any motivation to fool anybody. What I think is happening is our old source vs content argument that you attempted to show me some years back. I was merely attempting to show that source matters and that human beings are capable of truthful content if inspired by the right source. Also that hypothetically a computer can neither be inspired nor uninspired. I suppose you could argue that facts are facts and reality is reality and if I move the goalposts in order to win that one, it is intellectually dishonest. You know of my belief in a necessary source to inspire and/or illuminate content. Phat, you are just trying to palm the pea, con the rubes, move the goal posts. Im still trying to work through this philosophy.ABe: Perhaps you would argue that even if Source was tales told around a campfire, Content can still be important and valid. Am I close? Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
DWise1 writes: Now you have me pulling out the Dictionary again to see what sophistry is! And what does my argument deserve? In your eyes, what precisely is my argument? I need some help here Granted, your "argument" is pure sophistry (to elevate it far higher than it deserves). ABe: Sophistry-the use of fallacious arguments, especially with the intention of deceiving. My argument may certainly be fallacious...but who decides? Also I have no intention of deceiving anyone.a fallacious argument. Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
jar writes: Even Jesus?
My argument is that every source can be wrong, can lie, can be mistaken, can mislead, can word replies to make them intentionally ambiguous.I was asking you to tell us what you learned in the class you claimed to have just taken. What were the techniques they taught you to use to discriminate between the will of God and the plan of God? To be honest with you, I forgot what I learned. It made sense at the time, however. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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