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Author Topic:   And he's a significant candidate why? (re: Gary Johnson)
Rrhain
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Message 1 of 13 (791879)
09-24-2016 11:15 PM


Gary Johnson says that climate change is nothing to worry about because the sun will eventually expand and swallow the earth.
Gary Johnson Wants to Ignore Climate Change Because the Sun Will Destroy the Earth One Day – Mother Jones
In billions of years the sun is going to actually grow and encompass the Earth, right? So global warming is in our future.
This was a statement he made back in 2011, but it's been resurrected and he has decided to stand by his statement.
[T]he critical question is whether the politicians' efforts to regulate, tax and manipulate the private sector are cost-effectiveor effective at all. The debate should be about how we can protect our resources and environment for future generations. Governors Johnson and [Libertarian vice presidential nominee William] Weld strongly believe that the federal government should prevent future harm by focusing on regulations that protect us from real harm, rather than needlessly costing American jobs and freedom in order to pursue a political agenda.
He was on Real Time with Bill Maher in July and when asked if he had a plan to combat climate change, he said no, but he then later said in August that he would be in favor of a carbon tax...and then later denounced it:
I have determined that, you know what, it's a great theory, but I don't think it can work, and I've worked my way through that.
But then again, the sun is going to swallow the earth, so why bother?
Johnson is pulling a significant portion of his voters from younger voters, who are also more likely to be concerned about climate change.
Why is he a significant candidate again?
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Add "(re: Gary Johnson)" to topic title.

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Rrhain
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Message 3 of 13 (791883)
09-25-2016 7:56 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Phat
09-25-2016 2:23 AM


Re: Why?
Oh, I don't think he's actually going to have a chance to win, but his presence in the election will have an effect upon the election. In 2012, the vote for those under 30 broke for Obama 60-37.
According to the McClatchy poll in August, Clinton is only pulling 41% of the youth vote. Trump is trailing Johnson and Stein at 9%, but that means 39% are voting for someone other than Clinton. Quinnipac's poll from a few days ago puts Clinton at 31% which is the largest percentage, but it's still below 50%.
The under-30 vote was 18% of the total vote in 2008 and 19% in 2012 and it's because they broke as hard as they did for Obama that he won (Florida, Virginia, Pennsylvania, and Ohio would have gone to Romney if the youth vote had been split.)
I understand that candidates are flawed, there's no perfect candidate, there will always be the need for a compromise, etc. But when a candidate directly opposes positions that you claim to be significant in such a stupid manner, how can you vote for them? Is the need for a political temper tantrum really that great? How do people vote against their own interests?

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Rrhain
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Message 6 of 13 (791918)
09-26-2016 9:00 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by anglagard
09-25-2016 10:20 PM


Re: Well, You Asked
Actually, Clinton does have a tax plan for the rich. Even Elizabeth Warren has signed off on it. It isn't treating capital gains as ordinary income, no, but that you don't know about it is not due to her not having a plan.
That said, Johnson recently doubled down on his inanity regarding global warming saying that the solution is for us to colonize other planets: "We do have to inhabit other planets. The future of the human race is space exploration."
PZ Myers had some good questions for that "plan":
  • Which planet do you think will be more habitable than Earth after Libertarian laissez faire policies get done with it, Venus or Mars?
  • If neither of those two, which planet do you propose as the new homeworld for humanity?
  • I assume that you acknowledge that some terraforming of this new home will be required. Since that would require the investment of a substantial portion of Earth’s resources to accomplish, over centuries to thousands of years, before we see any return on the investment, do you think the free market is capable of driving the greatest public works project in all of human history?
  • Let us pretend you have a real habitable extraterrestrial planet in mind. How do we get there? By we, I mean the 7 billion people now on Earth. Or do you imagine this is more of an opportunity for the few incredibly rich people, while everyone else boils, fries, broils, or fricassees on Abandoned Earth?
  • How do you reconcile the fact that you oppose closing coal plants because it would cost the economy too much, while proposing a solution that is immensely more expensive, currently impracticable, and requires allowing this lovely blue planet to choke on our waste? This does not sound at all cost effective.
  • You seem to regard natural resources as fungible. Are you capable of empathizing with people who might love pieces of this Earth so much that they don’t see any possibility of substitutions? I don’t think we should surrender the Galapagos Islands, the Olympic Rain Forest, the Great Barrier Reef, or any of the millions of treasures we ought to be protecting. Do you also see your children as interchangeable, so you’d have no problem giving one up if we provided a replacement of equal or greater value?
I get the feeling it's really coming down to two things:
1) Johnson is in favor of legalizing marijuana.
2) Clinton Derangement Syndrome.

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.

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Rrhain
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Message 12 of 13 (792156)
10-06-2016 2:14 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by anglagard
10-05-2016 7:40 PM


Re: Have to Agree
anglagard writes:
quote:
But then what do I know, my last post indicated I thought Johnson was still sane.
And his latest missive: His ignorance regarding international politics is a good thing because politicians who know where the countries are and who the leaders are cause wars because they know where to send the troops.
You know what? The fact that somebody can dot the i’s and cross the t’s on a foreign leader’s geographic location then allows them to put our military in harm’s way.
I get the anti-war sentiment. But the idea that being involved in international affairs is some sort of "gateway" to war is foolish.
What got into him? I think it's the marijuana.

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.

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