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RAZD Member  Posts: 18455 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: Member Rating: 3.9 |
The majority of Christians have. You are talking about fundamentalist sects, not all of Christianity. But it's not just Christians that need adapt to reality, anyone that believes something that is at odds with the objective empirical evidence of reality, is delusional if they think reality will change magically to match their belief. When the world went from the center of the universe to a planet orbiting a star in the far reaches of a galaxy in a universe filled with galaxies, with no discernible center ... Christianity adapted, the world didn't end. Enjoy
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vimesey Member  Posts: 848 From: Birmingham, England Joined: Member Rating: 4.3
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I know you have said that reference to this sentence is quote mining, and I'm not trying to misrepresent your position by quoting it myself. But it does raise an important point for me. Personally, I have absolutely no problem with someone believing that the Genesis story/flood story/other OT stories are correct, and that science must in some manner have it wrong. That's your right. I also don't have trouble with children being taught those beliefs in Sunday school, or through other Church/Mosque/Temple routes, or through family upbringing. Again, for me, choosing to bring up your own children in your own faith is a matter for you (unless you try to train them to harm other people, of course). Where I do get shirty, (not a typo - it's an English expression, meaning annoyed), is where people try to teach religion to children in schools and call it science; or try to alter or undermine science to add weight to their beliefs. The pursuit of knowledge and advancement is way too important to our future to endanger it in this or any other fashion. Believe elements of science are wrong - that's your right, and I defend it - but not at the expense of undermining the incredible importance of maintaining the integrity of science. Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Taq Member  Posts: 6428 Joined: Member Rating: 4.3
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"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts do not go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's, but apples did not suspend themselves in mid-air, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from apelike ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other, yet to be discovered."--Stephen Jay Gould, "Evolution as Fact and Theory"
Perhaps Christians should learn that myths were a common way of communicating truths in the ancient world.
I challenge you to pick one of those topics and start a thread on it. I can guarantee that none of them will stand up to scrutiny.
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Taq Member Posts: 6428 Joined: Member Rating: 4.3
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That doesn't address what I wrote. I fully agree that biologists shouldn't speculate as to specific reasons why specific adaptations arose. That doesn't change the evidence that supports evolution and common ancestry.
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Taq Member Posts: 6428 Joined: Member Rating: 4.3 |
It is hubris that causes humans to believe that reality must conform to their beliefs.
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Dredge Member Posts: 350 From: Australia Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
You could have fooled me.
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Dredge Member Posts: 350 From: Australia Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
I think most scientists would agree that applying a theory to produce a practical use is more important to science than mere theorising. Your problem you live in a dreamworld of evolutionary theory (aka atheist theology). When it comes to the real world and applied science, you've got absolutely nothing to offer and your theories are are useless as fairy tales. All talk and no action - a typical Darwinist space-cadet, in other words. I wonder which strand of theorectical science is more useless - Darwinism, String theory or Parallel Universes? The bottom line is, biology doesn't need Darwinism - only atheists do. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Tangle Member  Posts: 4635 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.4 |
Your posts have reduced to ridiculous one line bumper stickers. It looks like you have nothing left to say. Why are you here? Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Coyote Member  Posts: 5783 Joined: Member Rating: 3.7
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On the contrary--creationists absolutely need "Darwinism." It gives them something to bitch and moan about... Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.
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Taq Member Posts: 6428 Joined: Member Rating: 4.3
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You do appear to be easily fooled by creationist websites.
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Taq Member Posts: 6428 Joined: Member Rating: 4.3
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That would be engineering, not science. Do you know what the scientific method is? Can you describe it?
I already gave you a list of my posts where the theory of evolution was applied and proved to be useful. You can't even reply to them. Also, you know nothing of what I do. I think you would be a bit embarrassed if you realized how much science I do apply in my work.
Said by someone who knows nothing about biology.
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Dredge Member Posts: 350 From: Australia Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
If children are taught that Darwinism is nonsense, they aren't missing out on anything, because biology doesn't need Darwinism; it's just an irrelevant atheist creation-story. Darwinism doesn't advance any science in any way; and since it is only theorising, it doesn't qualify as true knowledge.
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Dredge Member Posts: 350 From: Australia Joined: Member Rating: 1.2
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CRR, this is a miserly list - only sixteen suspect areas of evidence! I like the way some paleontologists take a few bones and construct a entire creature out it - maybe even a "transitional". No doubt about it, evolutionists' devotion to scientific rigour is admirable.
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Coyote Member Posts: 5783 Joined: Member Rating: 3.7
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When you spend your whole career studying bones you can do things like that. Sure, it amazes the rubes who don't know anything about bones, but that's just a fringe benefit! Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.
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