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My methods of judging character, such as Dr. Nicolson's are no different than anybody else's.It is demons that are in the Bible, that I said may be behind the phenomena discussed by Jacques Vallee, including leprechauns.

It happens to be exactly how the conversation went. He dismissed my judgment of Nicolson's character based on my supposed belief in leprechauns, which is false in more than one way.We are talking about how the conversation went and how it went is that I brought in Vallee to answer the charge that I believe in leprechauns. His credibility in your eyes is utterly irrelevant. I said I believe in demons who could manifest as leprechauns and he said that's about the same as believing in leprechauns, so I conclude he doesn't believe in demons, which means he doesn't believe in the Bible.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I went back through the posts, starting at Message 465, and NN was saying that he was objecting to my methods, that is, to my agreeing with Phat that there's nothing wrong with trusting in Nicolson rather than sifting through a lot of studies and that it makes sense for consumers to do that with a trustworthy spokesman like Nicolson. That's when he said that believing in leprechauns makes my judgment wrong. That was a classic ad hominem, and it's not true anyway since I don't believe in leprechauns.I reminded him of the context in which I made the leprechaun statement, which was about UFOs and Jacques Vallee's studies of UFO accounts that convinced him they don't behave like anything in the physical world but more like phenomena found in folklore, such as fairies and leprechauns and so on. I thought that a very interesting way of looking at it but thought since he isn't a Christian he overlooked demons as the cause.It's a reasonable view of it if you believe the Bible in which Jesus is shown casting out demons. Nothing direct is said about demons having the ability to change form except the story of Saul's seeking out the witch of Endor to bring up the recently dead prophet Samuel for him. She was shocked when the real Samuel did appear and talked with Saul, which can be interpreted as her being used to demonic impersonations of the people she asks to talk to. The Bible is clear that the dead do not come back to earth: There is "one life and then the judgment," so clearly God made an exception for Samuel to appear to Saul. It is also clear that Satan is the prince of this world, with his hosts of demons who are the "gods" of the many religions, now defeated by Christ's death on the cross but still to be active until the Second Coming. Ghosts and other apparitions are most likely also demonic impersonations, and wherever they preach a message contrary to the gospel of Christ you can be certain they are, as in the many new religions that appeared in recent times, such as A Course in Miracles, The Seth Books, Urantia and many others; also the "sages" that were being "channeled" with their supposed words of wisdom (really "doctrines of demons") back in the seventies and thereabouts. Demons are really quite active in this world even now but of course there's not much chance of convincing anyone here of that. I also think some mental illness is probably demon possession.So anyway I thought Vallee's observations of the UFO accounts very interesting though better explained by demons.NN then went on to dismiss my opinion based on my fuller explanation of what I meant about leprechauns that it should be reasonable to trust the honesty of a Dr. Nicolson. The same ad hominem of course on a slightly different basis, dismissing my judgment of the reasonableness of trusting a Nicolson because of something I said in a completely different context that he doesn't happen to agree with. That is scoundrely debating.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

The evidence that the Jesuits were behind the assassination of Lincoln is excellent, tracked down in many news reports of the time. Paul Serup did very thorough research over many years. Note she had "a familiar spirit" which is a demon. Yes she was shocked to realize she was talking to King Saul, but how did she know it was Saul? Because the real Samuel had appeared, which she obviously was not expecting, because real people don't come back from the dead. The real Samuel would only have appeared at God's command because it was Saul who was committing this sin of seeking him through a witch. So what did she usually get when she asked for a person to appear: a demonic impersonation. He observed that the way folklore beings behaved was similar to the way UFOs behave. Appearing and disappearing instantaneously for instance, suddenly moving from one place to another in a flash and so on. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

It's no placebo, Phat, I do trust Nicolson when he said those in the clinical trial felt they benefitted enough from it to want to continue it. It may not work for everyone, nothing does, but you are probably among the majority who will benefit. That's my guess, based on my judgment, or "intuition" of Nicolson's truthfulness and understanding. I hope you enjoy a great improvement in energy. I can't afford it myself right now but if you give it a good review I might consider it later. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I don't think the kind of evidence Serup collected would be easily reproducible at EvC. He has pages of photographs of newspaper clippings for instance. Or perhaps he was so badly treated here he didn't think it worth it. He admonished me to leave this benighted place.A medium is a person who consorts with demons, just as witches do. I don't have such ideas in advance, I learn them from such passages as this one and from such studies as Vallee's.Witches and mediums know they are dealing with demons and with their deceptions, she wasn't fooled. There's no contradiction. God suspends His own rules for His own purposes, and catching out King Saul was clearly His purpose.it's plain to anyone reading that passage that the witch of Endor was shocked upon seeing Samuel and that's how she knew the disguised man was Saul. It was the moment she saw Samuel that she knew. Oh I'm sure, the usual far-fetched "scientific" delusion that there is such a thing as shared hallucinations or something like that. That is far more unlikely than that the phenomena are real though misinterpreted, from the fairy tales to the UFOs.

Just for the record, I do not agree with Phat that this is about intuition versus critical thinking. I've always been a critical thinker and that did not change when I became a Christian. I think many people here who tout the methods of science are actually very bad at it.

Vallee apparently saw a pattern, MANY reports with similar descriptions, that's not like one man's seeing something on Mars that others misinterpreted. Mistakes get made all the time, but consistency in folklore tales suggests something objectively real. Perfection isn't needed, just a large collection of general similarities..

You have plenty of evidence that I don't agree with most of you here, which is not the same thing.

Interesting. You just showed that you don't know what critical thinking is.

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Ha ha. Nobody gets it. Oh well.

Critical thinking is not about being critical of things. Sheesh.

How that is an example of anything related to critical thinking is beyond me.However, I keep wondering why you seem to have a problem with criticism of the Jesuits, like it isn't anything about the evidence, it's just that you simply personally object to criticizing the Jesuits. That's the way it seems. Are you unaware that they were known for assassinations and attempted assassinations in Europe and even successfully assassinated a Pope? They tried to blow up the English Parliament and the King in that day with it, and supposedly all England still celebrates their failure. Why is it so hard to consider that maybe they had something to do with Lincoln's assassination?: Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Until recently the song sung on Guy Fawkes Day named the Jesuits as behind the plot and Fawkes as a Jesuit agent. That line has been removed. It's also hard to find references to the Jesuit instigation of the plot at Google, must be because the Jesuits themselves are working hard to keep it all cleaned up for their image.The Jesuit Order was founded to be the spearhead of the Catholic Counterreformation, in which service they've always worked to bring down Protestant governments and undermine Protestant influence in the schools and in every other way they can. They've never given up that effort and never will..Edited by Faith, : No reason given.