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Author Topic:   A christian mystery - what's going on at Apologetic Press?
CK
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Message 1 of 21 (220970)
06-30-2005 2:48 PM


OK - on this page, we have a paper called:
quote:
"This is the Way God Made Me" - A Scientific Examination of Homosexuality and the "Gay Gene" - Brad Harrub, Ph.D., Bert Thompson, Ph.D. and Dave Miller, Ph.D., Apologetics Press
http://www.erwm.com/BibleandHomosexuality.htm
Now if we go across to apologetic press, we find the following paper:
quote:
This is the Way God Made MeA Scientific Examination of Homosexuality and the Gay Gene by Brad Harrub, Ph.D., and Dave Miller, Ph.D.
http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/2553
Bert Thompson seem to have been airbrushed out of the picture, indeed, I'm sure that he's been removed from other papers. I've seen Thompson's name quoted all over the place and he seems to be a heavy hitter for the creationist side.
The frontpage had an article saying that Dr.Thompson had left the organization (which I now can't seem to find).
what's going on?
This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 30-Jun-2005 02:51 PM
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Message 2 of 21 (221103)
07-01-2005 7:22 AM


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roxrkool
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Message 3 of 21 (221144)
07-01-2005 11:56 AM
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06-30-2005 2:48 PM


On Tuesday, May 24, 2005 the Board of Directors terminated A.P.’s affiliation with the Executive Director, Bert Thompson. This decision was the result of a cooperative investigation by A.P. personnel and two close friends of the work who uncovered instances of long-term, deep-seated personal sins in his life. No other staff member of Apologetics Press had knowledge of Dr. Thompson’s actions. Once the A.P. board, the supervising elders, and the staff became aware of the situation, there was agreement that the problem must be dealt with swiftly and decisively. While this tragedy is sorrowful, it is gratifying to know that faithful men of God were willing to stand up for what is right. Too often, individuals simply stick their heads in the sand and hope a situation rectifies itself. However, these men had the courage to do what was necessary to remove sin from the camp. We deeply regret that this circumstance has occurred, and our prayers continue to go out to any who may have been adversely affected. We are happy to report that Dr. Thompson has publicly confessed his sins, and is currently undergoing counseling.
Whoa! Gonna go look THAT up!
No matter what he did, I think it's unethical to take his name off publications he was involved with. If I were him, I might consider seeking the advice of an attorney.
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roxrkool
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Message 4 of 21 (221148)
07-01-2005 12:10 PM
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oops
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roxrkool
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Message 5 of 21 (221150)
07-01-2005 12:10 PM
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06-30-2005 2:48 PM


Well, it's a bit more seedy than I expected...
Longtime director of Apologetics Press fired
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Message 6 of 21 (221153)
07-01-2005 12:19 PM
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07-01-2005 12:10 PM


(Sigh) More sexual misconduct.
How come so many prominent evagelicals get into trouble over sex, but you rarely see someone being fired over, say, embezzlement (unless it also involves sex)? Is it related to the fact that these cults are so sexually repressed? So these leaders are more prone to lapsing into "sexual immorality"? Or that fraud and embezzlement are more likely to be forgiven and/or overlooked? Or is it selective reporting by the media?

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lfen
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Message 7 of 21 (221157)
07-01-2005 12:43 PM
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07-01-2005 12:19 PM


Re: (Sigh) More sexual misconduct.
Most business don't like to have it known they have been the victim of fraud or embezzlement. I think they often settle quietly for fear it will have a negative impact on their business doings. Also it's a fairly common crime although if a high profile person is caught at it I would think that would be news.
And well did Enron make it to the cover of the Inquirer? No cleavage or bare bottoms. Finacial hanky panky is just not a particularly visual or media type crime. Probably doesn't sell as many papers as sex does, I'd hazard.
lfen

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jar
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Message 8 of 21 (221228)
07-01-2005 5:41 PM
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07-01-2005 11:56 AM


Absolutely despicable.
If AP took his name off valid work because they did not approve of his behavior they should be sanctioned. To imply that someone's moral behavior by some groups arbitrary standards has anything to do with the content of his work, is not only sad, it's absurd.
I have no problem with AP cutting him out of their club, but taking his name off the publication is stupid, unless his sin involved collecting or analizing the data. If his sin is fudging the data, then Off With His Head but is their only complaint is sin, then they should be ashamed of their action.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 9 of 21 (221232)
07-01-2005 5:46 PM
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07-01-2005 5:41 PM


Re: Absolutely despicable.
Since this person's "sin" involved young males, I think that they felt that his homosexuality would affect the credibility of his research (if that is what he does) on homosexuality.
But you are right. If his work is actually credible science, then his methodology, data, and analysis should be clearly accessible, and should be accepted, dismissed, and debated on its own merits.
But I have never felt that the religious right really understands the nature of science.

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Message 10 of 21 (221234)
07-01-2005 5:50 PM
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07-01-2005 5:46 PM


Re: Absolutely despicable.
Since this person's "sin" involved young males, I think that they felt that his homosexuality would affect the credibility of his research (if that is what he does) on homosexuality.
Yes but they weren't Methodists, Baptists or Atheists. LOL
But you are right. If his work is actually credible science, then his methodology, data, and analysis should be clearly accessible, and should be accepted, dismissed, and debated on its own merits.
One might think so. But notice, they keep all the crap he wrote, just want to hide the fact that he's homosexual.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 11 of 21 (221236)
07-01-2005 5:54 PM
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07-01-2005 5:50 PM


Re: Absolutely despicable.
What I don't understand is why AP is missing out on an obvious publicitiy gimmick.
"See, even Thompson says that homosexuality is unnatural and wrong. And he's a homo!"

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roxrkool
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Message 12 of 21 (221241)
07-01-2005 6:13 PM
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07-01-2005 5:41 PM


Re: Absolutely despicable.
I agree. Seeing as his name is on a few articles decrying homosexuality, rather than take him name off the articles, they should remove, and if they want, re-write the articles.
It's typical Christian over-reaction. Don't like something, pretend it doesn't/never exist/existed.

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roxrkool
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Message 13 of 21 (221243)
07-01-2005 6:17 PM
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07-01-2005 5:50 PM


Re: Absolutely despicable.
jar writes:
Yes but they weren't Methodists, Baptists or Atheists.
That was quite a cryptic remark from the priest, wasn't it? I still don't understand what he was trying to get across.

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Message 14 of 21 (221248)
07-01-2005 6:28 PM
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07-01-2005 6:13 PM


Re: Absolutely despicable.
From the article at The Christian Chronicle:
The Christian Chronicle writes:
Last year, Apologetics Press published two articles making a biblical case against homosexuality and listing the authors as Brad Harrub, Thompson and Miller. Both articles remain on the organization's Web site, but references to Thompson as an author have been deleted.
"I think we just decided to remove those because of the hypocrisy," said Miller, indicating that he and Harrub had written 98 percent of the original articles.
This is quite an admission! (Though it's far from uncommon, in mainstream science also.)
But is Miller able to acknowledge the ethical lapses and hypocrisy to which he is admitting with this comment?
Rewriting of history is only compounding the ethical lapses involved.

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wj
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Message 15 of 21 (221251)
07-01-2005 7:04 PM


I'm confused.
I'm confused. Doesn't atheism and the belief in the theory of evolution lead people to homosexuality and molesting of young people and adultery etc.? I know Catholic priests don't count coz they worship the pope and mary, not the real jesus. And anglicans don't count coz they don't really believe in god. And all them liberal churchgoers don't count coz they's been sidetracked by satan from the one true path. But an anievolutionist from a conservative, evangelical protestant sect wouldn't do nothing like that!
Is there any indication that what Thompson did was illegal or professionally unethical?
I love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

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