if other Life is Discovered wouldn't this Pose a problem?

I said suitable for, not has. Venus atmosphere is so hot because it is closer to the sun, combined with run-away greenhouse. Where it further away, it would (probably) have ended up like the earth. Certainly there is nothing (I know of) to suggest any initial difference on that scale between our two planets.

'and as for our mind... so what? 'That's a low opinion isn't it? do you see any other creatures inventing something as bizarre as the evc forum, or a p.c, or a car e.t.c. Are you saying our minds are 'so what'. Or a Davinci painting, he couldn't have done those paintings without a mind!'I am not attacking faith! I am simply saying that all these things you are talking about are based around it. are they not? (note: you can not say the same for me as I am an Agnostic I do not have true beliefs)'That's fair enough , yes , then your right. But if I didn't have faith I would still ask (if I were Agnostic)or enquire about these things in my own mind.

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Consider the Earth(and space), for example, it simply is brilliant,we have a sun which provides light every day without fail. We have an intelligent mind to consider these things. Time, laws that keep things in order, I could go on, but to me it is very obviously and intelligently designed short of giving me a verbal hammer on the head,it's so obvious. I mean just look at how Jupiter protects us, just like a skull protects a brain.

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You seem to be working under the assumption (and correct me if I'm wrong) that the universe is somehow made to suit us. It must be, since it fits so nicely right?Although you might want to consider that you could have it backwards. The universe didn't adapt to us, we adapted to the universe.Why do we fit so well? Well, it's pretty much moot, isn't it? Only a species which fit so well would have made it this far. In the same way you don't see penguins strutting around the equator, you won't find a life form that doesn't fit just right living in the solar system.When a specific set of circumstances is the only possible result, it stops being so amazing that it came to pass.

Exactly So what?..... can you eat leaves off the top of a tree? can you Run 60 mph?(not sure of metric I don't feel like converting but I am refering to a cheetah) etc... I don't think so. every creature has something amazing Our mind is not better. We simply have something no other creature has. Its not better its just different and amazing.

So, if we're no better than cheetahs or giraffes...
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How come we're the ones who dominate the planet?Remember, they may have a physical ability to do things greater than an unaided man. But God has given man intellect, something more useful than all animal abilities put together. Using intellect, people can go faster than a cheetah.

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How come we're the ones who dominate the planet?

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We don't. We are most conspicuous to us, but our domination is tenous and mostly illusory. It wouldn't take much of a drought in the right place the shatter this arrogance.------------------
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Or a particularly nasty virus. One little disease could put us in our place real quick...

Your point being what?
that Intelligence is more amazing then super speed? Why do you think its a gift? Yes I agree our intelligence is the reason for our success. What makes it better then super Speed? Again so what? We can think and cheetahs can run 60mph.... I still don't understand why you think Intelligence is so great that it must be a gift.
Also we aren't the most successful creatures and the most dominate. I think you should take a look at some little critters in your front lawn.[This message has been edited by DC85, 09-09-2003]

God is far from imperceptible, my friend. Intangible, certainly. But all the most important parts of life are intangible- love, friendship, self-sacrifice, faith, hope...How do we know these are here? All you have to do is feel them and see the results of their existance. Few people, even the most skeptical, question their existance. Why question the existance of the One who created them?

You say that the One who created us is a poor designer. I would have to disagree. Pandas eat bamboo- maybe they are vegetarians. People could be omnivorous too, but many choose not to be. And who are you to call any parts of His design poor? Have you tried any other way? Maybe having seperate food and air pipes would be dangerous or impractical. Maybe He simply liked the way they looked. He is creative, artistic in the ultimate sense.

Yes I too have had these Feelings. However I am not sure what to call them. If they even are anything special at all. Love is simply a strong emotional Attachment to something. Nothing more nothing less (example some birds mate for life........) As an agnostic I have no true faith in much. Hope is simply selfish Behavior sometimes what we call love is also selfish which animals have . self-sacrifice... hmmmm did you know parent animals will give up their lives for there young? are these Suppose to make me think Humans are better then other animals? If so I don't see it. Wow you figured out they Eat plants!(sorry)
Pandas are unable to decide things like this as was said Minds like ours are unique to Humans. A Human can say I won't eat meat Because I don't like the killing of animals. A panda Can't. No we haven't tried any other way but we do know other ways would be better. so you are admitting God isn't intelligent to know better?
Because it looks good is a pretty stupid reason to me. Does he not care?

No rational engineer puts asthetics over safety. That's bad design.

It occurred to me that shared wind and food pipes make it possible for us to breathe through both of them - in case one receptacle is blocked. That seems like a safe premise to me.Other species may be more populous, yes, but humans dominate the planet. We use the other species as labour, we keep them as pets, we use their produce, we keep them in cages for entertainment or study, and if another species should threaten us, we wipe it out.

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It occurred to me that shared wind and food pipes make it possible for us to breathe through both of them - in case one receptacle is blocked.

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Humans have a bit of an upside down Y in their throats. The single tail opens to the mouth, while one branch goes to the lungs and the other to the stomach. Block the pipe to your lungs and the only other way to go is to the stomach. You can breathe through your stomach? Amazing!!------------------
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