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Author | Topic: The lack of empirical evidence for the theory of evolution, according to Faith. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Jazzns Member (Idle past 3940 days) Posts: 2657 From: A Better America Joined: |
Faith,
This is a patient reminder from one Christian to another that there is only one person in this thread who has decended into name calling. If you intent is to be banned then why not just quit? Or take a break? There is no need to sacrafice your integrity over this. You seem frustrated and the only product of that frustration is a presentation of a negative image. For yourself, your witness, and everyone else here who would like to see you stick around and be part of some good discussion, just take a breather. These discussions can be blood boiling at times and we forget that it is our responsibility to be let these things roll off of us like water over a stone. We must be the example. I just want to encourage you to think about these things. Thanks,
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Silent H Member (Idle past 5848 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: |
nothing but a chiding of me for failing to grasp your point or something like that. No, not failing to grasp the point, but rather to ignore the actual point in order tto simply preach about the effectiveness of Xian home schooling. I'd have had no problem with that, except it was entirely besides the point.
I'd grasped it just fine, but you like everybody else here will make up a fault if you can't find one. I take this as an admission you will refuse to address actual points of arguments made to you and continually seek out bare sentences you have the ability to attack in an ad hominem fashion. I see you are now actually seeking getting banned too. Its too bad a person with evident ability to write, is so insistent on avoiding communication. holmes "...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)
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Silent H Member (Idle past 5848 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: |
That's the kind of idiocy creationists have to deal with here. Nobody can or will judge a well reasoned post on its merits. The rule on the evo side seems to be Make An Objection, doesn't matter what it is, make it up if you have to, but be sure to make an objection to anything a creationist says. Right, I only wrote at least two posts praising you without any criticism at all within the first thread I encountered you, and seconded a POTM nomination for you (as well as defending that seconding). I am beginning to see a rule however. You claim to be set upon by evos, and then repeat that charge at all times and at all costs, including your own credibility when it can be pointed out that you have not only not been attacked, but at times have been praised. Perhaps you should learn to recognize and accept praise, as well as understand and accept criticism. holmes "...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
No, not failing to grasp the point, but rather to ignore the actual point in order tto simply preach about the effectiveness of Xian home schooling. I'd have had no problem with that, except it was entirely besides the point.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
No, not failing to grasp the point, but rather to ignore the actual point in order tto simply preach about the effectiveness of Xian home schooling. I'd have had no problem with that, except it was entirely besides the point.
---- I was making the point that Christians will give the best possible schooling to answer your feverish worry that it would all lead to deterioration of standards. It was an answer to your charge. Your attributing other motives to me is typical of the partisan blindness at this place. This message has been edited by Faith, 04-08-2005 05:07 PM
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: You know, faith, I'm starting to believe that you just enjoy behaving like a hotheaded, abusive jerk with no social skills. Why you think that slinging around the personal attacks is acceptable adult behavior anywhere is beyond me.
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Silent H Member (Idle past 5848 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: |
I was making the point that Christians will give the best possible schooling to answer your feverish worry that it would all lead to deterioration of standards. My charge was neither that Xians cannot give good schooling, nor that having Xian schooling would lead to deterioration of standards.
It was an answer to your charge. No it wasn't. I was concerned that if curricula in fields could be changed based on beliefs, then the result would become a splintering of standards within education. holmes "...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: You know, the funny thing is, I've had this same experience on Creationist run boards, except that I don't get the "pat on the back". I usually get banned from those places for asking too many questions, or roviding too much evidence. ...can't help but notice that you have been encouraged to stay, even though you have begged to become a martyr for the cause. I get banned from Creationist boards for asking questions and providing evidence, yet you get to hurl rather vicious personal insults at people such as "idiotic" and "stupid" just about every third post or so, yet you are allowed to stay. Don't you find that interesting, the difference between the approaches of the two camps? This message has been edited by schrafinator, 04-08-2005 05:16 PM
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Admin Director Posts: 13042 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Hi Faith,
How can I help make this a better experience for you?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It was an answer to your charge.
------------No it wasn't. I was concerned that if curricula in fields could be changed based on beliefs, then the result would become a splintering of standards within education. ------Implying that Christian BELIEF, or creationist BELIEF, would change standards and in fact be the cause of this splintering, since you were answering MY statement that Christians should abandon the public schools altogether. That led to this worry of yours and I WAS answering that by saying the standards would be the highest. That was the whole point but you jumped to some other conclusion.
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Mr. Snot Face?
Come on, how old are you Faith? Is this how a grown woman actually behaves?
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Silent H Member (Idle past 5848 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: |
Implying that Christian BELIEF, or creationist BELIEF, would change standards and in fact be the cause of this splintering, since you were answering MY statement that Christians should abandon the public schools altogether. I was not implying, nor intending to imply that it was Xian or Creo belief in and of itelf that would cause a lowering of standards. There are plenty of other beliefs that someone could argue from that would be just as problematic for standards (if they used the rule you were arguing for).
That led to this worry of yours and I WAS answering that by saying the standards would be the highest. Whether they taught subjects at a "high standard" is irrelevant for my point. You are equivocating. I am stating that standards of curricula would be undercut, which means that there would no longer be accurate understandings of what knowledge of any particular field required in its background. For example, geographers and geologists generally expect instruction in round earth models, but if we are allowed to remove that standard because flat earthers do not believe the "theory" of a round earth, then we have broken a central standard. Indeed flat earthers could teach at extremely high standards, including within geography and geology which do not in and of themselves require "round earth" models. They just wouldn't teach, or teach as counterfactual the main model, one of the standards for those fields. There are more examples of course, but we could stick with that one for argument. holmes "...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
This is NOT a nitpick - if the source/evidence on which commike bases his intelligent and reasonable points is wrong, then his points are no longer valid.
------------- It wasn't WRONG, it was merely deemed INFERIOR. {EDIT: And maybe I didn't get this right but it seemed to me it was NOT a matter of EVIDENCE but of ANALYSIS, and that's to be judged on its merits. The evidence-hound focus here disqualifies reasonable points it has no jurisdiction over at all. This message has been edited by Faith, 04-08-2005 05:53 PM
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
That led to this worry of yours and I WAS answering that by saying the standards would be the highest.
----- Whether they taught subjects at a "high standard" is irrelevant for my point. You are equivocating. I am stating that standards of curricula would be undercut, which means that there would no longer be accurate understandings of what knowledge of any particular field required in its background. ---------------- I AM NOT "EQUIVOCATING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" You are simply missing the point over and over. WHAT YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN and I argued why not in more than one place. There are about, what, TWO flat-earthers left on the planet? What are you worried about? I answered you over and over on that thread. High standards means STANDARDS, the ones accepted by ALL. I made it clear that Christians expect to meet the national standards and in fact exceed them and since it was my saying Christians should abandon the public schools that got you off on your worry about standards, my reassurance that Christian schools will ace those very standards ought to have done it for you, but no, somehow I'm just spamming for Christian schools, or what?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
How can I help make this a better experience for you?
--- It can't happen, Percy. I realize I'm being indulged to some extent and I don't want to be ungrateful, but I don't see any solution to this. It's completely a matter of biased mental sets that can't be fixed, but thanks for trying.
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