The gentic inheritance of sin - if it is true what are the consequences?

Things were VERY VERY different before the Fall.

off the top of my head:

• access to the tree of life (thus, immortality)
• snakes had legs
• no pain in childbirth
• no children, for that matter
• no subjugation of women
• no farming

there's another side point:

• people didn't eat meat

but pay attention to where it shows up:

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Genesis 9:1-4

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And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth. And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered. Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

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that has nothing to do with the fall. also, pay attention to whom it is directed: noah and his sons. not the animals. god puts the fear of man into animals, so that man can eat them. even stranger... remember abel?

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Gen 4:4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:

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abel was shepherd. maybe he didn't eat the animals, but he certainly sacrificed them to god. heck, noah does too, the chapter before the meat-eating commandment. so, if man can herd animals, and sacrifice animals, and this has nothing to do with what animals can and cannopt eat -- where does this "lions ate grass" stuff come from? where is the evidence for it?Edited by arachnophilia, : typo

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I don't see a point in your post. It kind of rambles all over Irrelevancy.

Quite correct.This is something we mathematicians would describe as "vacuously true".Edited by nwr, : added reference

*blinks**blinks some more*ok, i'll try to break it down for you.

• the meat eating blessing was given to mankind, not animals. part of the context involves god putting the fear of man into animals. this has nothing to do with whether or not lions ate meat on the ark, because it does not change the situation for lions. only man.
• this also has nothing to do with the fall, because it happens many hundreds of years after the fall. lions eating grass on the ark wouldn't be caused by something being "pre-fall." unless the fall came after noah.
• even though man did not eat meat post-fall/pre-noah, man (including abel and noah) killed animals to sacrifice them to god. presumably, for use as clothing as well, but that would be a guess.

so, if

• it has nothing to do with the fall,
• nothing to do with lions, and
• man kills animals before that point,

why are lions eating grass on the ark?Edited by arachnophilia, : missing word, formatting.

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I was talking about before the Fall, nothing about the ark.

right, my mistake. however, see the first point: "it had nothing to do with the fall."Edited by arachnophilia, : No reason given.

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It was BEFORE the Fall. I don't get what you are trying to say.

right, and meat eating is not related to the fall.oh, hell, whatever. i went off half cocked on the wrong point without reading back far enough. sorry.but still have no idea what the justification for your claim is.

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Well, as I said, the idea is that things were very different before the Fall. No death, no disease, therefore no meat-eating. This is the view of us YECs anyway. So that's my explanation from my YEC point of view. What did they eat? Whatever they were designed to eat in those days. Very different things than we have today. The very different flora and fauna preserved in the fossil record -- and we YECs attribute the fossils to the Flood -- is some kind of hint of the very different world, and even that is different from what was before the Fall. Abel's sacrifice was after the Fall. Etc.I hope we finally cleared that up.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Hardly. How did meat eating lions survive on veggies? You don't accept evolution so presumabely they had the meat eating gear from the beginning. And what about the lemmings, rabbits, etc? No death, you are going to be over run with them. You know what they say about rabbits. Even if you slow down their reproduction to one generation per year, in about 10 years it is going to be rabbits and lemmings everywhere. They would have cleaned the garden out of anything green. Oops, no death. Does that mean plants also? Plants are alive. What did the lemmings eat? Forget the lemmings. What did Adam and Eve eat?

why no fossils of lions with flat, plant-eating teeth? oh, you mean like sabre-toothed cats. ok. and those nasty predatory dinosaurs with a several dozen 6-inch steak knives in their mouths. ok.

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You would think there would be at least ONE transitional Pre-Fall Critter. LOL

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

The animals then were DIFFERENT. They weren't meat-eaters.No, that doesn't include plants.

Things changed after the Fall. Animals became meat-eaters after the Fall. They EVOLVED into the toothy types. Then those extreme types died out IN THE FLOOD.There are no plant-eating lion fossils because plant-eating lions, if they ever existed, would not have survived until the Flood but would have died out/evolved into meat eaters, and fossilization is a rare event. Takes something like a humongous Flood to preserve so many as we see today. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.