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Author Topic:   Is God 'allowed' to change his mind?
Brian
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Message 3 of 46 (39238)
05-07-2003 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by David unfamous
05-07-2003 8:49 AM


God Gets Hoodwinked!
Hi David,
Of course God can change his mind, there are a few examples of him doing just that in the Bible.
For example, in Genesis 18:26 onwards you will find Abraham talking God into changing his mind, God had already decided to destroy Sodom, but Abraham asks him if He would wipe out all the righteous people along with the wicked, and asks if there were 50 righteous people would he spare Sodom. Abraham talks the rather thick God down to ten people, this does sort of negate God's omniscience as he has no clue how many righteous people are in Sodom. Actually his omniscience is nullified in verse 21 when he admits he has no clue how bad the people of Sodom have been.
Now it comes to pass that there weren't even 10 righteous people in Sodom, how God is oblivious to this information only He knows. This fairytale also begs a question; How can Lot be righteous if he was prepared to throw his daughters to the men of Sodom to be raped? Unless this is righteous in the eyes of God.
So this proves that God can and does change His mind.
Even God's alter ego Jesus changed his mind when he realised how selfish he was being. The Canaanite woman (Matthew 15:22) who asks for help for her daughter embarrasses Jesus into changing his mind, and his entire mission on earth.
Also:
Exodus 32:14 And the LORD changed his mind about the disaster that he planned to bring on his people.
Wouldn't it be funny if God changed his mind about damnation! LOL
All these idiots running about telling us we need to get saved and they do not know that God has changed his mind!
Best Wishes
Brian.

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Brian
Member (Idle past 4990 days)
Posts: 4659
From: Scotland
Joined: 10-22-2002


Message 18 of 46 (39379)
05-08-2003 10:18 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by Paul
05-08-2003 9:54 AM


YHWH the Barbarian.
Hi Paul,
Evidence for presumptuous acts done wilfully and deliberatly against law and conscience is everywhere, and is a tuff subject which most try to avoid.
This depends on what type of law and whose conscience you are talking about. For example, what is lawful in the UK may not be lawful in the USA. As for conscience, this depends entirely on your upbringing. If I find a wallet in the street I take it straight to the nearest police station to see if someone has been looking for it, another person would empty the contents into his pocket and throw the wallet away. Apparently God has given us both a conscience, but it is the way we are brought up that influences to what degree that conscience is ‘moral’.
However it's rampant in and exclusive to the human species and it needs to be addressed as to why?
Animals can break the law as well, although they are ignorant of the law, and they can pay the consequences. It happens fairly regularly that a dog will assault a child and then that dog is put down. Also, how can we expect animals to have a conscience that resembles ours, they do not have the same level of intelligence as we do. You are comparing two incompatible creatures.
I'm quite tired of the explanations that try to blame this problem on God.
Well, apparently God created us, and God is a pretty unintelligent being who is incapable of making a perfect universe and perfect inhabitants. This is why He is blamed, it reminds me of an old saying, ‘it is a poor workman that blames his tools.’ God is a workman who cannot ‘make’ things very well, so instead of taking the blame for being useless, he blames his tools (us) and this removes the fact that He is the one who is hopeless.
Can you show me the evidence that God's the cause of these acts, or would even want these acts to occur?
Neither we nor anyone else can prove that God exists in the first place so we cannot show you any evidence. That the God of the Bible is a bloodthirsty Barbarian can be deduced by the many stories about him recorded in the Bible. Since we have no direct evidence of God we can judge him on the things He was meant to have done. A great deal of God’s acts in the Bible are horrific, and He well justifies the label of Barbarian.
No. Since you don't believe in God anyways, it's only logical then that you would leave Him, the Bible and Religion out of your answers in future and attempt a quality answer.
Why include a mythological being that there is no need to include in the equation?
As one wise man at this site proclaims ‘Occam’s Razor is not for shaving with!’
Best Wishes.
Brian.

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Brian
Member (Idle past 4990 days)
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From: Scotland
Joined: 10-22-2002


Message 45 of 46 (39593)
05-10-2003 6:47 AM
Reply to: Message 41 by amsmith986
05-09-2003 7:01 PM


Hi,
But if my Dad tells one of my brothers (8,10, and 12) not to touch them, they are totaly capable of knowing better.
Lets suppose that one of them did touch them, say the ten year old. What would your father do?
Would he give the lad a stern talking too, would he perhaps ground him for a few days, or would he throw him out the house telling him never to return and put a curse upon him and all of his children?
Brian.

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