Should a Deist pray? Response to jar's idea of God.

I'd appreciate an answer other than "yawn", but if you can't manage that I do understand. If you want to stick with the intellectually devastating "yawn", I'd appreciate a retraction of the comment you made that I am reading God's mind. Support it or retract it, randman, forum guidelines. You may not be familiar with these.

I posted yawn rather than a more stern rebuke (though not as mod) of you breaking the forum guidelines. You made false personal attacks on a thread calling for none.Please retract them...

Rebuke to your heart's content, but support or retract in the meantime.

So why do some other creatures have functioning vitamin C genes?It can't be because only humankind fell, because some other creatures also have broken vitamin C genes. The essential difference is that you cite materials and feelings as unverifiable as belief as evidence to support beliefs: that is not evidence, it is merely belief.Personally, I think that you, like randman, have a snowball's chance in Hell of seeing Heaven, but I have no difficulty accepting your dissenting beliefs on that score, either.What I refuse to accept is your insistence that your beliefs about your beliefs constitute evidence in support of your beliefs.

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another evo telling people he thinks they are scum or some such, deserve to go to he ll, and all the while thinks it's other people that do that

Omni didn't say that, he said that he believes that it's unlikely that Faith will get to heaven.

I don't mind if you want to ask further questions, although it is off topic, but the reason I said what I said was to make it clear that creationists do have a different explanation for the flaws in creation that noncreationists see as caused by God. The proper thing to do would be to acknowledge that. Nobody expects you to agree. Again this is off topic and you should merely have acknowledged the point. Nobody is requiring you to believe it. The entire Creation was cursed at the Fall, and subject to death. Broken vitamin C genes or any other genes, in both humans and animals, are one way death has manifested. Please don't argue this further as it is off topic. This is a reasonable answer and if you think it stupid and ridiculous as you generally think anything I say is, please save it for another thread. Thank you. I don't care what you think of my evidence, that is not the topic here. I'm not trying to persuade you or anyone of my beliefs, I am merely stating that nobody believes anything without what they regard to be sufficient evidence, and the idea that there is some kind of blind belief is simply false. Again I could not care less what you think of my evidence. I haven't asked you to accept anything, only to respect other people's views, and that other human beings don't think like you.This message has been edited by Faith, 12-25-2005 12:22 AMThis message has been edited by Faith, 12-25-2005 12:28 AM

Wow, and you are what a pillar of honesty and integrity?, This whole thread is just a chance for you to pigeon-hole someones beliefs that you don't agree with, I mean what does the title have to do with anything in your posts?I vote an admin change the title to attacking a personal belief because randman can't get over itby the way no as a deist i do not pray to a god that doesn't give a crap anymore

What's the call for your response here? The point was simple: There is a creationist answer to the common complaint that God created a flawed universe, and that is that He didn't, it was the result of human sin. Are you just off topic or what. Have a Merry Christmas.

Well, I agree that I would be wrong if I claimed that. But I never did. I would be very surprised if you could point out where I said that. I've already given you my answer, even though you dimissed it as off-topic. God supposedly can do as he pleases. So the answer to your question is: why wouldn't he? It's up to him.

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It is amazing that you demand this but refuse to showrespect to those that disagree with you.Your holier than thou attitude is exasperating.This message has been edited by Theodoric, 12-25-2005 08:35 PM

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Indeed--it was a like response, rand.I don't think you're going to hell--don't believe in the place; you, on the other hand, like faith, make no bones about believing in my eternal torment. I think the very notion of hell is symptomatic of the worst of human impulses.And I think you've evolved a long way from scum.

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That's correct, Funk. I don't believe in that place, either.It's good to see rand is consisent in his distortions of others' statements, though--provides some certainty in an uncertain world.

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It not off-topic to respond to your invalid evidentiary claims, Faith.If you choose to make any assertions about any evidence to support any post, any observations I have to make about the illusory nature of that evidence is germane.A Merry Christmas to you, too, and a Happy New Year as well!

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thats not the topic, i answered the topic, and the rest of randmans little rant calls for jar to explain himself yet again, your response seems more OT, what does anything you posted have to do with anything thats been said in this threadAs I will keep saying, Randman doesn't like the responses jar gives him, so he will keep posting this noiseI'm sorry too, but this is about belief in something no one can answer -- The mind of god