Evidence of Jesus in the entire bible.

Isaiah the prophet also referred to Jesus many times. (that fact may already have been established)
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No, Isiah did not not even once refer to Jesus. At most one or another of the authors of Isaiah (there were at least two, quite likely three) made some prophecies which are assumed to refer to Jesus. And at least one obviously doesn't - provided you read it in context.

Your theory negates the Trinity then, as this would imply that Jesus was created by the Father and thus subordinate to Him. Which is basically what Arius was saying, and we know what happened ot him.AdminBrianPS, your next post regarding Isaiah and Jesus, do you think that you could perhaps give the references in Isaiah where you believe that jesus is mentioned and the reasons why you think these verses are specifically speaking of Jesus?Many Thanks.[This message has been edited by AdminBrian, 08-21-2003]

Not sure I understand your question. The scriptures talk about a lot of people, including Jesus. Could you rephrase the question please?

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Your theory negates the Trinity then, as this would imply that Jesus was created by the Father and thus subordinate to Him. Which is basically what Arius was saying, and we know what happened ot him.

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I stand corrected, your absolutely right. That was a really severe mistake..... Man that will keep me humble.

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PS, your next post regarding Isaiah and Jesus, do you think that you could perhaps give the references in Isaiah where you believe that jesus is mentioned and the reasons why you think these verses are specifically speaking of Jesus?

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Isaiah 9:1-7"1 Nevertheless the dimness shall not be such as was in her vexation, when at the first he lightly afflicted the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, and afterward did more grievously afflict her by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, in Galilee of the nations. 2 The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined. 3 Thou hast multiplied the nation, and not increased the joy: they joy before thee according to the joy in harvest, and as men rejoice when they divide the spoil. 4 For thou hast broken the yoke of his burden, and the staff of his shoulder, the rod of his oppressor, as in the day of Midian. 5 For every battle of the warrior is with confused noise, and garments rolled in blood; but this shall be with burning and fuel of fire. 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. 7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this."That's just one I found flipping through Isaiah just now.------------------
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Paul K writes: "At most one or another of the authors of Isaiah (there were at least two, quite likely three). . ."Please do not present theories or speculation as proven facts, especially not without giving any kind of evidence.

Also Genesis 1:6, shows the trinity.
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PaulK what do you think of the Isaiah verse I just shared?
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All of a sudden, I have beautiful music in my head. Thank you, messenjaH.Cheers.

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Also Genesis 1:6, shows the trinity

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Excuse me:Genesis 1:6: And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.No trinity there.------------------
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messenjaH in an attempt to show Isaiah referring to Jesus, quotes Isaiah 9:1-7.Nope. The passage refers to one that would establish a government:Isaiah 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.Jesus didn't do this. There is no government of Jesus.It also describes the conquests of the Messiah:Isaiah 9:1: Nevertheless the dimness shall not be such as was in her vexation, when at the first he lightly afflicted the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, and afterward did more grievously afflict her by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, in Galilee of the nations.Jesus didn't do this, either.Yes, Isaiah foretells a Messiah.But Jesus does not fulfill the prophecy.------------------
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I'm sorry but I'm simply reporting the mainstream view of Bible scholars. I would have thought that that would be sufficient for a side issue like this, and preferable to going into an off-topic diversion.

I think that it is intended to be about a future (to the writer) King of Israel. One that actually sits on the throne. So it certainly isn't about Jesus in his life on Earth.

Can I make a general observation about some of your posts?Using the one about Isaiah 9 as an example, what you now need to do is say why Jesus is hinted at in this text.I notice that you do this quite a lot, it is not a big problem but one that you need to address as your skills develop. If you post something that you believe supports an argument that you are making you need to say why that text supports your particular argument.For example, say you believe that Isaiah 7:14 is specifically about Jesus being born of a virgin, then you really need to say that the virgin birth mentioned in Isaiah 7:14 is talking about Jesus because......, and then say why you believe that this is the case.I know this can be a pain and that most of the things you post are recognised by the people who are well-versed in biblical studies, and we know exactly what you are on about without further explanation. However, there are people reading who may not have a clue what you are talking about and you need to elaborate a little on why a particular text supports your stance so these people are not confused.This saves quite a bit of time as invariably a respondent to your post will have the job of explaining your reference for you.With that said, why do you think that Isaiah 9 is referring specifically to Jesus and what are the reasons for your conclusions?Brian.

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