Prophecy of Messiah: Isaiah 7

If someone thinks that Isaiah 7 & 8 are prophetic of the Messiah, about the only possible conclusion is that Jesus was not the Messiah.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

What I related was a simple observation. The fact that Jewish priests received an education does not diminish the fact that most Jews, indeed, most people in general, were uneducated and illiterate.Until relatively recent times, every important document produced by the Christian Church was created in Latin and every educated person was required to learn to read and write Latin. Even so, these educated persons lived in a world where the overwhelming majority were functionally illiterate.The fact that educated Christians understood Latin had no significant bearing on the linguistic realities of the untutored masses. I submit that the Jewish reality was very much the same. Even now, with more people than ever claiming to understand Hebrew, we have more diversity of translation than ever before. Even so, all those students and masters of ancient Hebrew represent but a tiny fraction of the population at large. Which is to say, the language being used by Hebrew people. This comment is not intended to identify the name of the language but rather the name of the people using the language. It is an aside of the story, a parenthetical, with the point being that Paul spoke a variety of languages. The truth of this is strongly implied by the Roman officer who seemed to be impressed with Paul's multilingual capability. When Paul addressed the officer, the officer replied with surprise, saying:

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You speak Greek?

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Cut and paste is not what I meant by 'work.' You have raised more objections than you have answered. I won't try to show you what I expected but I will give you a clue: If you employ the scientific method in your Bible study, you will discover things which no one in your congregation has ever imagined possible.This message has been edited by doctrbill, 03-03-2006 12:05 AM

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Theology is the science of Dominion.
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So it appears that context is the bottom line where the proverbial buck stops as to what is being communicated in the text.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW

Well, if you take the places where almah is translated virgin, taken in context none seem to being specifically discussing the modern definition of virgin.Bible Search and Study Tools - Blue Letter BibleGen 24:43
Ex 2:8
Psa 68:25
Pro 30:19
Sgs 1:3
Sgs 6:8
Isa 7:14

No. That doesn't fly. The text reads, emphatically, "in the Hebrew dialect." If it were as you argue, it would be much different, i.e. "in the Aramaic dialect" or "in the Aramaic dialect which the Hebrews used."

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW

Hi madear. I've not had much time to do stuff here lately, being busy businessly. Give me some time and I'll check this out.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW

Not at all.The people were Hebrew.The Hebrew people spoke a dialect based on neither Greek nor Roman.They spoke a dialect they had learned while captives in The Land of Aram.Hebrew, - the ancient language of their distant ancestors, was something else again.

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Theology is the science of Dominion.
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Hi Doc. That's not what the text in Acts says, nor is it what the link which I furnished corroborates. Imo, you're beating a dead horse.

Don't be so hard on yourself, Buzz.I've never thought of you as a "Dead Horse."

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Theology is the science of Dominion.
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We seem to rely only on Isaiah for the prophecy. There is a very explicit prophcy being given by God to Moses in Deuteronomy 18:15-18 about what the Messiah will do. The most important aspect in that is that he will say the words that God would put in his mouth and he would say nothing else. He would not promote worship of other gods. If we go through the gospels in the New Testament it is difficult to find vrification of this prophecy. In fact the way the gospels are worded they are the words of a man and not God. I am not a Muslim and therefore what I am going to say should be taken objectively. It appears that there are two Messiahs forecst in the Old Testament. Jesus by Isaiah and Mohammad in Deuteronomy. Mohammed and the Quran coform entirely to the prophecy. The scripyure gives no stories, no personal teachings or praise of the Prophet.

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No way.
1. The Deuteronomy prophecy is prophesied and addressed to the Israelites (descendents of Jacob) This prophet was to rise up from among the descendents of these people, according to the prophecy. Muhammed was not.
2. The prophecy was relative to the god, Jehovah, the god of the Bible; not the god Allah, god of the Quran which was worshipped regularly at Mecca among all the other pagan gods before Muhammed eliminated all of Allah's rival gods there.
3. The Deuteronomy prophecy perfectly fits Jesus, corroborating the prophecy of Isaiah 7.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 Z Y BUZ SAW

I'm not feeling a thing. It's your dead horse that you've been beating. It appears you're finally letting the thing rest in peace.

wrong jesus. the "messiah" prophecied in deuteronomy is the one who will lead the israelites into the promised land, who is probably not coincidentally named yehoshua -- though in this case it's normally rendered "joshua."i would imagine that jesus was very purposefully named for joshua.

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Pray read Deuteronomy 18:18 again. What aspects of the New Testament fit into this prophecy to say that it points to Jesus? In the Gospels, Letters and Revelation, Jesus has been depicted such as if God is incomplete without Jesus.Jesus is quoted as saying in Revelation "I am the Alpha and Omega".These are not words the son of man will say.This is no different from idolatory which has been so vehemently opposed in the Old Testament.You may also read Matthew 27:46 and reflect why God had forsaken Jesus. For the Deuteronomy prophecy to be true for Jesus the New Testament will have to be interpretted so as to say that much of what is attributed to Jesus is really God's and Jesus is not God. So do not call him the only son of God; we all are. Jesus preferred to call himself the son of man.