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Did any author in the New Testament actually know Jesus?

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bluescat48
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Message 99 of 306 (494294)
01-15-2009 8:34 AM 		Reply to: Message 95 by jaywill
01-15-2009 12:58 AM

Re: Reasons to believe they told the truth
One of the indications that Matthew wrote Matthew is found in Matt. 10:2-5.
"And the names of the twelve apostles are these: first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; and James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James the son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus; Simon the Cananeaean, and Judas Isacariot, who also betrayed Him. These twelve Jesus sent forth, charging them ..." (Matt. 10:2-5a)
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This is Matthew's list of the twelve apostles. And why do I say it evidences Matthew as the author? Because if you compare the list of apostles to how they are mentioned in Mark and Luke you find the order changed to list Matthew before Thomas -(Mark 3:18; Luke 6:15). The writer of Matthew in humility listed himself second rather than first.
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That proves nothing. It neither proves nor disproves whether "Matthew" was Matthew.
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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
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Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
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Message 186 of 306 (495948)
01-25-2009 8:42 AM 		Reply to: Message 184 by Peg
01-25-2009 8:31 AM

Re: This humble carpenter wasn't exactly what the Jews wanted.
mathews account was accepted by the other apostles therefore it must be assumed that they agreed with the prophecies application.
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But where is your evidence that Matthew wrote Matthew.
Where is the original manuscript in Matthew's handwriting and some other sample of his handwriting, ie a tax document since he was alleged to have been a tax collector, for handwriting comparison?
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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
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Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
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01-29-2009 8:05 AM 		Reply to: Message 211 by Peg
01-29-2009 7:53 AM

Re: This humble carpenter wasn't exactly what the Jews wanted.
records the Jewish tradition that Alexander The Great was met by the Jewish high priest and was shown the divinely inspired prophecies recorded by Daniel foretelling the lightning conquests by Greece.
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Tradition is not evidence of anything just something that has become fashionable to believe no real evidence.
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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
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Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
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02-02-2009 9:07 AM 		Reply to: Message 250 by Peg
02-01-2009 10:57 PM

Re: Extant writings
it means they have doubts. but do those doubts change the historical records that we have? No, those records written by earlier scholars and historians are still there and still say that this person did this and this one did that
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we can take it with a grain of salt, but we cannot write it off completely
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Nor by the same token can one justify that that the manuscript was written by whoever.
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Can one prove that Homer wrote the Illiad? No.
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Can one prove that Plutarch wrote Plutarch's Lives? No.
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It is the same with any ancient or even Medieval writing.
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It is only by tradition that Matthew was written by Matthew. No real evidence. The subject of this topic is "Did any author in the New Testament actually know Jesus?" The answer is simply "Unknown."
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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
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Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
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02-02-2009 7:43 PM 		Reply to: Message 257 by jaywill
02-02-2009 1:29 PM

Re: Extant writings
Do you hold that no traditions are likely to be true?
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Only when there is corroborating physical evidence.
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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
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Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
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Message 298 of 306 (497512)
02-04-2009 1:18 PM 		Reply to: Message 295 by Granny Magda
02-04-2009 12:27 PM

Re: My Answer to the OP - Probably Not
I agree. in nearly 300 posts there is still no sustaining evidence that any of the writings were by anyone who knew Jesus , even if he did exist.
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Edited by bluescat48, : typo
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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
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Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
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