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IamJoseph
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Message 51 of 63 (457399)
02-23-2008 6:42 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Greatest I am
01-27-2008 9:24 AM


Topic: Does Eve know God more than Adam?
The factors which apply, at least from the texts, are:
Eve was the final facet of creation, and by the factor of microcosm, she would potentially possess more inherent info than any precedent entity.
We find in the text this pointed verse: "WHATEVER SARAH TELLS YOU TO DO - DO IT' [Genesis]. That this was said to Abraham, the father of all prophets, makes it a double whammy, at least inferring that Sarah knew more than Abraham of Gd's Will.
The same applies with Rebecca, who transcended the views of her husband Isaac and her son Jacob - two Prophets - and changed history by interchanging the positions of Jacob and Esau; the texts later affirms that Rebecca did the right thing, and that both Isaac, Jacob and Esau agreed with her. Again, this says the female knew more than the males.
With Adam and Eve, there is no indication that Adam made any thoughtful deliberations - this is only seen with Eve in her deliberations with the serpent. And deliberations mean one is more knowledgeable. Eve was correct in eating of the forbidden fruit in one sense, while Adam was not: he gave Eve incorrect info, saying that touching the fruit would result in death, when he should have said only eating the fruit would cause death. Eve proved Adam wrong, and only ate after proving Adam wrong.
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IamJoseph
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Message 52 of 63 (457400)
02-23-2008 6:46 AM
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02-17-2008 1:18 PM


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If the godhead is made up of men's souls then it is very possible that What we call God is a consolidation of these souls with no actual head of heaven.
Negative from the POV that humans are a recent, late/last phenomenon, and the premise of the Creator was precedent and independent.

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IamJoseph
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Message 54 of 63 (457440)
02-23-2008 2:06 PM
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02-23-2008 9:04 AM


That women are a higher spiritual force is indicated by making them immune from all laws in the OT which are subject to time. Because woman have a greater role, namely as the processor and sustainer of life - the first commandment [Go forth and multiply]. This task requires foresight of the future, to be able to know and prepare for the child's birth and first 3 years, while the man is pre-occupied elsewhere, like making a living.
There is no beginning for the Creator, who is described as not subject to change. Thus the opening 4 words of genesis states only that before the beginning of the universe, there was only the creator: IN THE BEGINNING GOD.
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IamJoseph
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Message 55 of 63 (457442)
02-23-2008 2:13 PM
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02-17-2008 9:28 AM


Yet there was a mysterious compulsion here, which defies all reasoning. If one was in that same space-time, he would most probably bet against this belief taking hold, and demand more than 3rd party reportings: if he observed Judaism, he would demand a direct revelation - as occured with Moses. But this did not happen. we see two such religions developed, some 2000 years after Judaism - and both are contradictory to each other, negate each other - but emerged in the same vicinity. Both cannot be right. How can such an ubsurd phenomenon happen?!

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IamJoseph
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Message 58 of 63 (457516)
02-23-2008 9:09 PM
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02-23-2008 4:41 PM


The first male and female, according to Genesis, emerged as one dual entity ['MALE AND FEMALE CREATED HE THEM'/Gen]; how this is presented by science is left to be seen - but mostly it has not been addressed, because of ToE being the flavor of the times. But the woman was seperated, in a sense constituting the final touch in life form origins.
IMHO, there is no alternative to the first of every species being dual-gendered, or positive and negative, and that the first duality became seperated. An offspring is the result of a duality, not a singularity. Single celled life forms is an expressionism only - there is no singularity and nothing happens with just ONE. All actions are the result of a minimum of two - namely a specific and mutually impacting duality which exhibits an interaction. And an inter-active duality confirms only a hovering control factor.

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Message 59 of 63 (457517)
02-23-2008 9:15 PM
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02-23-2008 4:46 PM


Re: Prophecy
The question is not whether one believes in a Creator who is unprovable - but whether one believes in a deity called 'Nature' which is unprovable! Those are the only two options on the table. Choose one - and explain your reasoning in an imperical mode.

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