Arachnophilia said:
why do you assume it's the father speaking? the problem with this idea is that it really relies on making assumptions and making things up that are just not in the text.
You're right. I shouldn't assume it was The Father speaking here, because it never really says that. I have good reason to assume it is because The Father is the Head of the Godhead.
it never indicates anything else that could be read as trinitarian in the slightest. there is only one personhood of god ever talked about in the text: yahweh, and no others.
Yes, but The Trinity is a recurring theme in the entire Bible and shouldn't be overlooked. Just because it doesnt directly state God is talkng to two others, doesn't mean The Trinity doesnt exist.
Please explain what/who God is talking to , if not The Son and Holy Spirit. (Remember, no mention of Angels is in the text.)
the same cannot be said for the concept of the trinity. the oldest entry we have that reads a different (but the same) person into the creation story is in the gospel of john -- and even there it's more likely that john is appealing to gnosticism than expressing the modern idea of a trinity. and he also fails to mention the third personhood of god, so i doubt we could call that a trinity if only two parties are mentioned.
What then , was Jesus talking about when He stated: (Matthew 28:19-20) Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in[a] the name of the FATHER and of the SON and of the HOLY SPIRIT, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age." Surely Jesus wasnt mistaken when He said this. How do you explain it?
(I have a few other verses proving The Trinity if necessary)
Raph
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