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Daniel4140 Member (Idle past 5513 days) Posts: 61 Joined: |
Edited by Daniel4140, : Replied to wrong person, will fix it
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Daniel4140 Member (Idle past 5513 days) Posts: 61 Joined: |
Hi Rrhain,
I'm replying to you in support of Peg. First point. Acts 7:4 says: quote:. It is a provable fact that Shem, though listed first was not born when Noah was 500. We must therefore drop the assumption that first listed in a multiple son list means first born. It only means most important born. Your allegation that the synchronism Terah 205 = Abrahm 75 is a math error disappears since your assumption that the listing indicates order of birth is incorrect. I believe that God made biblical chronology obscure, but he did not make it impossible to solve. He wants sincere people to make a search for the truth in this age. The points I made above are charted on the following pages: http://www.torahtimes.org/book/page128.pdf Shem's Birthhttp://www.torahtimes.org/book/page130.pdf Shem at the Flood http://www.torahtimes.org/book/page135.pdf Abraham's Birth http://www.torahtimes.org/book/page136.pdf Terah's death Daniel
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Daniel4140 Member (Idle past 5513 days) Posts: 61 Joined: |
You and Peg went round and round about Terah being 205 when Abraham was 75.
quote: Then you are conceding the argument that Peg was right about the Terah Abraham syncrhonism. Creation 4140 B.C. Flood 2484 B.C Exodus 1632 B.C. Online Chronology book: The Scroll of Biblical Chronology
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Daniel4140 Member (Idle past 5513 days) Posts: 61 Joined: |
quote:I'll be 149 years more generous. Nothing is more than 6149 years old (local time) --- that is the sun moves no more than 6149 times through the vernal equinox. According to the Bible, even the stars were created within this time frame. The Chronology of the Bible is entirely self consistent, and it contains cycles which transcend the ability of any contributor (except God) to engineer into the text. The whole timeline is at the link below. Creation 4140 B.C. Flood 2484 B.C Exodus 1632 B.C. Online Chronology book: The Scroll of Biblical Chronology
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Daniel4140 Member (Idle past 5513 days) Posts: 61 Joined: |
Whatever... this thread is about the timeline of the Bible. So discuss what the bible says on the bible's terms. Like I said, the data for the Bible's chronology is a given. I cannot alter it. Therefore, finding that it is totally consistent over centuries and centuries proves divine intervention in both the preservation of the chronology and its original design.
Let's take the simple step of adding up the chronology to the seven years of abundance under Joseph and the seven years of famine. Doing this, it is at once evident that these seven year periods synchronize with the date of the creation --- exactly modulus 7. Then continue the chronology to the conquest of Canaan, and you will see that the seventh year synchronizes there as well. These seven year periods continue through the whole of biblical chronology right into the "End of Days" (remember the seven year tribulation). That's when all the ungodly evolutionists get judged by God. Many chronologers have tried to recover such a sabbatical conclusion and failed. The only difference is I had a computer to process all the data, and suceeded. It's no different than solving an equation. When you got the solution you can easily check it. Edited by Daniel4140, : No reason given. Creation 4140 B.C. Flood 2484 B.C Exodus 1632 B.C. Online Chronology book: The Scroll of Biblical Chronology
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Daniel4140 Member (Idle past 5513 days) Posts: 61 Joined: |
For instance, if you look up the link below and go to the charts on page 166: http://www.torahtimes.org/book/page166.pdf you will see the seven years of Nebucadnezzar's madness fit into the history of Babylon.
Creation 4140 B.C. Flood 2484 B.C Exodus 1632 B.C. Online Chronology book: The Scroll of Biblical Chronology
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Daniel4140 Member (Idle past 5513 days) Posts: 61 Joined: |
quote: You said, "Folks have done literary criticism of Chaucer and Shakespeare for centuries, but that doesn't make their fiction any the more real." If you are trying to say that the seven year cycle does not synchronize with Jospeh's plenty and famine years, then that's not an itellectually honest way to do it. Prove my math wrong. It's all online. Creation 4140 B.C. Flood 2484 B.C Exodus 1632 B.C. Online Chronology book: The Scroll of Biblical Chronology
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Daniel4140 Member (Idle past 5513 days) Posts: 61 Joined: |
Sabbatical years are relevant to the timeline of the bible. They are referenced by seven year periods. They should add up to a consistent cycle, and they do. They were observed by letting the land go fallow and cancelling debts. That's hardly "numerology", which I consider an intellectually disingenuous attempt to dismiss the data.
Creation 4140 B.C. Flood 2484 B.C Exodus 1632 B.C. Online Chronology book: The Scroll of Biblical Chronology
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Daniel4140 Member (Idle past 5513 days) Posts: 61 Joined: |
What do you have the right to determine what is relevant to biblical chronology just because you started the thread?????
Creation 4140 B.C. Flood 2484 B.C Exodus 1632 B.C. Online Chronology book: The Scroll of Biblical Chronology
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Daniel4140 Member (Idle past 5513 days) Posts: 61 Joined: |
Yeh, I have to agree that its pure nonsense that Matthew made a mistake by skipping generations. Anyone who says otherwise is just plain INGNORANT of the Hebrew and Greek relational terms.
1. Josiah (640-609)2. Jehoahaz (609) Skipped 3. Jehoiakim (608-598)Skipped 4. Jehociahin (597) Everyone knew the reasons. The skipped generations were especially wicked. Creation 4140 B.C. Flood 2484 B.C Exodus 1632 B.C. Online Chronology book: The Scroll of Biblical Chronology
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Daniel4140 Member (Idle past 5513 days) Posts: 61 Joined: |
You set the topic, so I'll quote from it -- from the first post:
quote: So lets comment on YOUR topic: First the flood was in anno 1657, NOT 1557. You made a 100 year error. Second you conceeded already that Abraham was born when Terah was 130, after I proved it. So Abraham was born in anno 2009. Abraham was called from Ur 5 years before Terah died, but you imply the 430 years begin when Abraham left Haran. This is another mistake you made. The key text is Exodus 12:40. The sojurn began from Ur of the Chaldees, not leaving Haran. Here is the chronology after making the corrections: 1657: Flood2009: Abraham born 2079: Abraham called out of Ur of the Chaldees 2084: Abraham leaves Haran and goes to Canaan 2109: Isaac born when Abraham is 100, 30 years after leaving Ur. 2509: The Exodus. The link between Abraham and the Exodus is found in Gen. 15:13, wherein it is said that from the birth of Isaac to the Exodus will be 400 years. Now let's continue the chronology: 2509: Exodus2549: After 40 years entry into Canaan 2549: In the fall the Torah is read marking the start of the seven year torah reading cycle, which strangely enough synchronizes with the agricultural and land reform cycles beginning at creation. Proof: 2549/7 = 364 remainder 1. It is the first year of the cyle (i.e. the end of the seventh year, the start of the first). Jubilee Check: 2549/49 = 52 remainder 1. It is the first year of this cycle too. Now let's put your chrononlogy up to the test:Your chronology: 2354 + 40 = 2394 for entry into Canaan, when Israel was told to begin counting cycles. 2394/7 = 342, i.e. the start of year 7. But Deut. 31:10 says the Torah was read at the "end of seven years" Your chronology 2394/49 = 48 remainder 42. So this does not synchronize either. Like I said, the key to validating the Chronology is when the land reform and agricultural cycles work out correctly, so you are just plain wrong to dismiss it as "numerology". Let's now work out this subchronology: 2109: Isaac born2169: Jacob born 2299: Jacob goes to Egypt at age 130 in the 2nd year of the famine. Age-based chronology is synchronized to the spring year, while the agricultural cycle is synchronized to the fall year. So the second year of the famine is fall 2298 to fall 2299. Let us check this out: 2298/7 = 328 remainder 2. So it is the second year of the agricultural cycle. So the whole seven years of plenty synchronize with the agricultural cycle and also the seven years of famine.Finally, the year after the last year of famine, Joseph engaged in land reform. This year was 2304: 2304/49 = 47 remainder 1. So the land reform is in the first year of the next land cycle. And additionally, Avodah Zarah 9b says to add 1 to the era of the second temple destruction to obtain the year no. of the agricultural cycle. The Second Temple was destroyed in A.D. 70, and so is year 1. Let us add. 1 + 1 = 2. The second temple was destroyed in 4209/4210 of the world (i.e. A.D. 70). 4209/7 = 601 remainder 2. Creation 4140 B.C. Flood 2484 B.C Exodus 1632 B.C. Online Chronology book: The Scroll of Biblical Chronology
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Daniel4140 Member (Idle past 5513 days) Posts: 61 Joined: |
Neither Exodus 12:40 nor Galatians 3:17 contradicts the chronology I give. You just don't understand the Hebrew. I'll give two proofs:
(1) 400 from the birth of Isaac to the Exodus is EXACTLY how the ancient Jewish scholars understood it in Seder Olam. And they did understand Hebrew. (2) "KJV Exodus 12:40 Now the sojourning (of the children of Israel, who dwelt in Egypt), was four hundred and thirty years. 41 And it came to pass at the end of the four hundred and thirty years, even the selfsame day it came to pass, that all the hosts of the LORD went out from the land of Egypt." Now, if you will notice the ( ) that I added to Exodus 12:40, you will see that the sojourning dates back to UR of the Chaldees. That is how it must be interpreted in the context of Scripture because the prophecy said that four generations would span the time in Egypt (see Gen. 15:16). Your errors in post no. led to problems. Don't expect me to spot your retraction in post no. 5 in over 100 posts. One's attention wanders with most of the posts being chronological nonesnese. The covenant in Gal. 3:17 refers to Gen. 12:1-3 and Gen. 11:31. The text in Gen. 12:1 reads, "Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:" Notice that the KJV correctly says "had said" in Gen. 12:1. Notice that the message refers to Abraham's "kindred" and thy "country". That was UR, not the five year stopper in Haran because Terah was too old and lost faith:
quote: I think that X's out your interpretation of Gal. 3:17 as dating from the departure from Charran. You said in post 1:
quote: 25 Years to the birth of Isaac (Isaac was born when Abraham was 100)400 years to the exodus (The prophecy says 400 years from Isaac to Exodus) I notice that you typed "god" (lowercase). Did you really mean to insult the God of the Bible or was that just unintentional? 425 years total. You are 5 years short. 425 is not equal to 430. The missing 5 years is before Abraham was 75, when he was 70 in Ur, when he was called just like the book of Acts says. The agricultural cycle is not irrelevant. The lack of agreement with your scripture number twisting is just one more data set exposing you. I won't repeat it here. Others can go back and read my posts. Edited by Daniel4140, : No reason given. Creation 4140 B.C. Flood 2484 B.C Exodus 1632 B.C. Online Chronology book: The Scroll of Biblical Chronology
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Daniel4140 Member (Idle past 5513 days) Posts: 61 Joined: |
quote: I think that says he wasn't just trying to prove the Bible is YEC chronology. He wanted to know if there was a break. There is no break if you compile all the relevant data together, which "R" so far refuses to do. The reason YEC are not together on this topic is that compling all the data correctly produces results that do not agree with a lot of Christian theological conclusions about the Torah. They are more right than you evolutionists, just not right enough to put up a perfect defense.For example, did you ever wonder why Seventh Day Adventists keep coming up as the source of a lot of creationist arguments? That's because they retain the biblical Sabbath, the seal of the six day chronology of Gen. 1. So accurate interpretation of Gen. 1 and all other matters of biblical chronology is directly related to theology that most Christians refuse to embrace. For a similar reason, I suppose "R" does not want to consider the biblical agricultural cycle or land reform cycle as relevant. It leads to a certain conclusion about the validity of the Torah that he does not like. Herein lies the opportunity for evolutionists to at least point out the accurate interpretation of the Bible and point creationists to the logical conclusions of their own beliefs, but in order to get very far, you can't make silly errors like "R" does. Creation 4140 B.C. Flood 2484 B.C Exodus 1632 B.C. Online Chronology book: The Scroll of Biblical Chronology
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Daniel4140 Member (Idle past 5513 days) Posts: 61 Joined: |
Genesis 12:1ff does not say the covenant was made at that time. It was only reaffirmed. Therefore, there is no mistake. The 430 years dates from when Abraham was 70, 5 years before Terah died, and the 400 years from when Abraham was 100. That's exactly 30 years difference, and not 25 as you have it.
You are just assuming that the covenant was first made then so that YOU can SAY there is a mistake. Is that so you can serve the lord of lies?
quote: But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full. What means "they"? Can you read? "They" refers to the generations that went to Egypt to dwell. 1. Jacob2. Levi 3. Jochebed (daughter of Levi, mother of Moses) 4. Moses That's your four generations. And that's no mistake. The LORD tells the truth. The lord of lies says there are mistakes. Abraham was 100 when Isaac was born. No one counts 9 months from conception in Biblical age-based dating. You only assumed this so that there is a mistake. Anyway, it works out 2108/2109 is the year of land reform (Jubilee), overlapping both Abraham's 99th year and his 100th year. I suppose you forgot that Isaac was a spring baby? I suppose you didn't think the agricultural year began the previous fall?And I don't think it dawned on you that God made the land covenant with Abraham that year? Any way it's clear enough that you only do proper math when it suits you and fuzzy math the rest of the time. Creation 4140 B.C. Flood 2484 B.C Exodus 1632 B.C. Online Chronology book: The Scroll of Biblical Chronology
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