1 Kings 6:1 can we harmonise it with other biblical info?

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I am not interested in assertions. All my evidence is Ph.D. produced. This is not directed at Brian as he knows that only scholarly sources count, but my opening comment here is for everyone else.YEARS OF REIGN Solomon 978 to 938 BC. [40 years] (1Kings 2:42 / 2Chronicles 9:30)David 978 to 1018 BC. [40 years] (2Samuel 5:4,5)Saul 1018 to 1058 BC. [40 years] (Acts 13:21) / Josephus ("Antiquities" VI, xiv, 9) JUDGES INTERVALSamuel: (alone) 1069-1058 [11 years] (1 year co-regency with Saul)No ruler: 1083-1069 [14 years]Abdon: 1091-1083 [8 years] (Judges 12:12-14)Elon: 1101-1091 [10 years] (Judges 12:11)Ibzan: 1108-1101 [7 years] (Judges 12:7-9)NOTE: Between 1108 and 1069 Eli the Priest ruled in that dimension for 40 years. Samson was a contemporary military judge for 20 years.Jephthah: 1114-1108 [6 years] (Judges 12:7)Jair: 1136-1114 [22 years] (Judges 10:3)Tola: 1159-1156 [23 years] (Judges 10:1,2)Abimelech: 1162-1159 [3 years] (Judges 9:22)Gideon: 1202-1162 [40 years] (Judges 8:28)Barak/Deborah: 1242-1202 [40 years] (Judges 5:31)Shamgar: 0 yearsEhud: 1322-1242 [80 years] (duration of rest because of Ehud) (Judges 3:30)Eglon King of Moab: 1340-1322 [18 years] (Judges 3:14)Othniel: 1380-1340 [40 years] (Judges 3:11)Chushan-rishathaim/King of Mesopotamia: 1388-1380 [8 years] (Judges 3:8)Note: Not all stated timespans in the Judges interval are consecutive.Joshua/and the Elders: 1413-1388 [25 years](Josephus, "Antiquities V, I:29) Duration of Wilderness journey: [40 years] (17 times the Bible states the aforementioned timespan) TABULATIONLast year of Solomon's reign: 938 BC.- 120 (938 BC +120 = 1058 BC)- 355 (1058 BC + 355 = 1413 BC)- 40 (1413 BC + 40 = 1453 BC) IMPORTANT: The book of Ruth and its chronology runs simultaneously within the Judges period, thus it does not lengthen or shorten Biblical chronology.External Fixation: SOURCE: "Pyramidology Book III" [1966, London] by Dr. Adam Rutherford
Unless otherwise noted all the content of this post belongs to Rutherford. Specific quotes will be cited by chapter title and page number.The above source dates the said battle 853 BC. Rutherford also dates the same event to the same year. (Chapter VII, pages 582,583)The links below date Shalmaneser III reign began in 858 BC, which establishes the above date 853 BC and its battle to have occurred in the 6th year of Shalmaneser III. Rutherford is in perfect agreement with this information. (Chapter VII, pages 582, 583)Battle of Karkar | encyclopedia article by TheFreeDictionaryhttp://www.aina.org/aol/kinglist Shalmaneser III 858 BC 824 BC
(34 years)http://www.fact-index.com/k/ki/kings_of_assyria.htmlThe inscriptions of Shalmaneser III and the Assyrian King List, and the 1954 discovery of the SDAS King List, which is harmonious with Khorsabad King List and Nassouhi King List, all establish 853 BC (beginning Nissan) as the 6th year of Shalmaneser III with the 22nd year of Ahab. (source: Rutherford/Chapter VII, pages 582-587)Solomon's last year was 938 BC at which time his son Rehoboam began to reign. The Kingdom was divided at this point with Jeroboam. Thus between Ahab and Jeroboam were 4 other kings and the very short reign of Zimri. 853 BC was the 22nd year of Ahab's rule which establishes his 1st regnal year to be 874 BC.Between 874 BC and 938 BC were the reigns of:Jeroboam - 22 years [1 Kings 14:20]Nadab - 2 years [1 Kings 15:25]Baasha - 24 years [1 Kings 15:33]Elah - 2 years [1 Kings 16:8](civil war: Omri v.Tibni) - 2 years [1Kings 16:21,22](Rutherford, pages 597, 598, 599)Omri - 12 years [1 Kings 16:23]This accounts for the 64 years between Ahab and the death of Solomon.I have now externally fixed the death of Ahab and thus also the years of his reign.This benchmark dating establishes the death of Ahab = 853 BC, which sets his 1st year (sole) to be 874 BC.This confirms 64 years between Ahab's first year and the death of Solomon in 938 BC which sets his 4th year to be 974 BC. Thus the "480th year" of 1Kings 6:1, that is 479 years and 1 month perfectly establishes that the Bible dates the Exodus in 1453 BC.CONFIRMATION OF 1453 BC VIA HISTORICAL INTERLOCKING JUBILEE AND SABBATIC CYCLES (source: Dr. Gene Scott and Rutherford/Chapter X, pages 650-654) Leviticus 25 (excerpts)

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And the LORD spake unto Moses in mount Sinai, saying,

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Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye come into the land which I give you, then shall the land keep a sabbath unto the LORD.

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Six years thou shalt sow thy field, and six years thou shalt prune thy vineyard, and gather in the fruit thereof;

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But in the seventh year shall be a sabbath of rest unto the land, a sabbath for the LORD: thou shalt neither sow thy field, nor prune thy vineyard.

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That which groweth of its own accord of thy harvest thou shalt not reap, neither gather the grapes of thy vine undressed: for it is a year of rest unto the land.

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And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years.

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Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubile to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land.

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And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubile unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family. A jubile shall that fiftieth year be unto youLevitical law required the Israelites to refrain from farming the ground and releasing those in servitude to go free every 7th year. This became known as the Sabbatic Year/7-year Sabbatic Cycle.Although these Cycles could not be fully operational until they entered the promise land/Canaan, their inaugural reckoning was the year of the Exodus. Thus the 50th year/Jubilee would come 50 years after the Exodus, which would be the 10th year (civil) since the entry into Canaan.1453 - 40 year Wilderness journey - 10 years in Canaan = 50th year/Jubilee = 1405-1404 BC (inclusive of year 1453).However, only after Israel enters Canaan does the first Jubilee Cycle begin, hence Cycle No.1 commences 1405-1404 BC. This Cycle No.1 is counted as such because the Leviticus text specifies "when they come into the land" (Leviticus 25:2).The Jubilee/50th year would be celebrated at the end of 7 sets of 7 year Sabbatic Cycles. The silver Jubilee trumpet would sound throughout the land on the Day of Atonement (10th Tishri) and this new year would be observed as the Year of Jubilee. This historical fact produces the following tabulation:16th Jubilee, that is 7 x 7 Sabbatic Cycles = 16 x 49 = 784 years.1453 - 40 - 10 = 1405-1404 = date of first Jubilee Cycle.Josiah's 18th year (621-620 BC) is when the said 16th Jubilee occurred. IMPORTANT: The fiftieth year was the Jubilee year, but the cycle ended at the 49th year. Hence, the 50th year is the Jubilee AND the first year of the NEXT cycle.Now 1453 BC is confirmed over a very long range of centuries. The Bible is internally consistent.I could also fix the 1453 date with two star alignments, in fact this alignment is the ORIGIN of the 1453 date which augments and corrects the widely accepted 1446 BC date. But nobody in ancient chronology argues over 7 years. The point and evidence says the Exodus happened in the mid-15th century.Where do minimalists account for and incorporate Jewish historical data in their database of claimed evidence ? They don't. They exclude because it upsets their ox cart. Objective scholars incorporate all Near East data to arrive at sensible conclusions based on ALL the evidence. Minis assert the Jews were in conspiracy to fool the world = arbitrary avoidance of their evidence which they cannot refute.Brian: I am STILL waiting for that evidence which refutes the victories of David (1018 - 978 BC). Show me a victory by any nation other than Israel during these years.This post is intended to provide the truth in contrast to the mess of Brian's OP.The 480 years of 1Kings 6:1 is accounted for. It is not perfect but there are no major facts which harm the verse and its fact.RayThis message has been edited by Herepton, 10-03-2005 10:54 PM

Which still does not answer my question. Once again, how could Jewish scribes know when the centre of their history will be ? You made this claim and you made it without providing any argument or explanation. You've made this claim before. Please postulate a theory as to how anyone could arrange what you have asserted ? By this standard we must ignore all evidence produced prior to 1966. A fact is a fact regardless of when it is established. I think it would be wise of you to refrain from time dated arguments as evolutionists have certainly not abandoned Darwin. None of the cites state the length of a generation. In Genesis it implies a generation is 100 years (4th generation come out of Egypt God told Abraham).I can produce words from your own mouth that accept a 25 year generation. Have you abandoned the 300 year schematic ?Also, how could a person who argues against the historocity of the Exodus (Dever) be considered a maxi ?I also find your behavior atrocious...attempting to lead Faith astray was awful. Faith admitted she did not know but she does know theology very well. Your point is dull and I see nothing in it.I am short on time....lucky for you.Ray

Bran can deal with your chronology of Judges - although you certainly need to support your claims.However I note that you re repeating other claims that have previously been discuussed and shown to be wanting:According to the BibleElah became King of Israel in the 26th year of Asa (1 Kings 16:8)Ahab became King in 38th year of Asa (1 Kings 16:29)Therefore the entire period from the accession of Elah to that of Ahab is less than 13 years.You, following Rutherford, have it as 2 years (Elah) + 2 years (civil war) + 12 years (Omri)
= 16 years.So who's right - Rutherford or the Bible?

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I am not trying your patience. Just provide your evidence for this assertion either by argument or link and be done with it, however, this is an auxilliary issue to the topic issue. But this topic is about internal Biblical consistency. Now you've let the cat out of the bag and have disclosed that your internal consistency claims are based upon external renderings.I thought we were debating alleged internal contradictions, or in my case, defending the Bible against the accusations.Externally, the evidence corroborates the Biblical date. We have debated this. Tell me by all means. Then tell me what it has to do with the topic subject ? Don't get me wrong, I know it is related but we are discussing the 480 between the Exodus and the start of the Temple construction. Like the evidence of atheist Egyptology from the mid-19th century until 1952 and beyond. The point is there is no ONE set length of a generation. It depends on the context and the length stated in that context. Plus I have never argued for a universal 25 year generation. When he asserts it may have happened anywhere but in the mid-15th century.Dever is you - a mini.Brian:Your answers are ad hoc. Your veiled threat to ban me based on something completely untrue tells me you do not want to debate with me. I get the picture. I will leave you alone.RayThis message has been edited by Herepton, 10-06-2005 03:12 PMThis message has been edited by Herepton, 10-06-2005 03:14 PM

Insult caused by the inability to refute.Ray

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One claim allegedly refuted by you does not harm an entire source.You basically laughed at the evidence coming from a book that has "Pyramidology" in the title. You very well know I am a pyramidologist.The 1453 BC date was derived from the Great Pyramid.The internal passage system matching the central claims of the Bible is the first observable data, and when I say match and I mean EXACT. All it takes is for someone to point it out ONE time and you can never see it any differently.From these observations researchers looked for corroboration. They discovered two star alignments that ONLY occurred in 2141 BC, and the alignments are physically marked in the GP, that is the first descending passage way extended into space intersects the Dragon Star Thuban, and the Scored Lines that appear contrary to the floor line in the same passage extended out into space intersects with Alcyone in the Pleiades mentioned in Job. The latter represents God and the former Satan.Whats important to determine is WHEN the light of Thuban (if ever) aligned with the descending passage and WHEN the Scored Lines aligned with Alcyone, that is, did they ever align as described at the same time ? British astronomical authorities have determined the two requirements outlined above only happened one time in history: 2141 BC. - a time in history when Thuban WAS the North star (polar north).When the data came back (partly determined by the Royal Astronomer of Scotland Piazzi Smyth the discoverer of the planet Uranus) pyramid researchers assigned the 2141 BC date to the place in the descending passage where the Scored Lines are etched into the passage wall. This point became a starting benchmark point and date.Then, researchers decided to assign an inch for a year formula, (or rather make a prediction) and count the number of inches from the Scored Lines TO the passage system place where the Exodus is visually depicted to see if it corresponds with the Biblical date.Subtracting 2141 BC and the total amount of inches between the two points came out to 1453 BC. Because of the WAY the date was determined, that is its objective method dependant only upon physical evidence we augment the historically determined date of 1446 BC to 1453 BC and of course 7 years is nothing in these matters. The Bible dates the Exodus 1453 BC.Now that we know precisely WHEN the Exodus occurred the only thing left to do is determine what information in the Bible lengthens its chronology and what information is concurrent. IOW, we know the outcome, now we must put together (from the Bible) its chronology, that is which events add to chronology and which do not. Rutherford assigns 25 years for the rule of Joshua and the Elders. The Bible does not say how long either of them ruled. I might add your argument about Caleb is compelling.Your error is the assumption that EVERYTIME the Bible states a timespan that this somehow lengthens the chronology. IOW, valuable details are being used to falsify by assumption. Your approach makes the Bible inaccurate. If you wish to have this approach seen valid then please tell the debate why every stated timespan should lengthen the chronology ? Then tell us your system for making sure concurrent timespans are not mistakenly included ?Ray

If you want to return to Pyramidology then try to get a PNT approved.But understand, you will expected to provide some evidence this time.

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He does not mention the Elders.Rutherford uses the Josephus information and assigns the 25 years for Joshua and the Elders.Fact: The rule of Joshua after the death of Moses must be accounted for, that is to lengthen chronology. The Bible does not supply this duration, and because it makes mention of the children of Israel following God during the days of the Elders who outlived Joshua - this logical fact is being exploited by certains to upset all of Biblical chronology and 1Kings 6:1 = NONSENSE !The Elders information is provided to show how THAT generation stayed on track with God but when the next came (grandchildren so to speak, those who had not seen the terror of Joshua who inherited the mantle of Moses) they quickly reverted back to the ways of heathen. The truth being taught is theological: God has no grandchildren and the jurisdiction of Mosaic Law has no power in its knowledge to make a person come into compliance - but can only condemn. The history of the Israelites is this perpetual in and out record with God: when they need Him they get right; when things go good they forsake. Its the same with us - today. The gestalt is God killed the Mosaic law Incarnate (Christ) and now He can rescue us from our "in and out" nature if we apprehend the risen Christ by faith.Now how does the Elders in your view upset the 1Kings 6:1 cart ?Ray

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Brian:Your error is the assumption that EVERYTIME the Bible states a timespan that this somehow lengthens the chronology. IOW, valuable details are being used to falsify by assumption. Your approach makes the Bible inaccurate. If you wish to have this approach seen valid then please tell the debate why every stated timespan should lengthen the chronology ? Then tell us your system for making sure concurrent timespans are not mistakenly included ?Ray