Understanding through Discussion


Welcome! You are not logged in. [ Login ]
EvC Forum active members: 66 (9078 total)
89 online now:
PaulK, Percy (Admin), Phat, Tangle (4 members, 85 visitors)
Newest Member: harveyspecter
Post Volume: Total: 895,160 Year: 6,272/6,534 Month: 465/650 Week: 3/232 Day: 3/28 Hour: 1/0


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Deposition and Erosion of Sediments
Faith 
Suspended Member (Idle past 762 days)
Posts: 35298
From: Nevada, USA
Joined: 10-06-2001


Message 106 of 127 (197549)
04-07-2005 7:00 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by Jazzns
04-07-2005 4:43 PM


Re: With regards to specifics.
Hey you win. I'm sick of this. Goodbye.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 105 by Jazzns, posted 04-07-2005 4:43 PM Jazzns has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 107 by Admin, posted 04-07-2005 7:08 PM Faith has not replied
 Message 108 by Jazzns, posted 04-07-2005 8:04 PM Faith has replied
 Message 111 by Jazzns, posted 04-13-2005 12:33 PM Faith has replied

  
Admin
Director
Posts: 12814
From: EvC Forum
Joined: 06-14-2002
Member Rating: 2.5


Message 107 of 127 (197550)
04-07-2005 7:08 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by Faith
04-07-2005 7:00 PM


Re: With regards to specifics.
Faith writes:

Hey you win. I'm sick of this. Goodbye.

???


--Percy
EvC Forum Director

This message is a reply to:
 Message 106 by Faith, posted 04-07-2005 7:00 PM Faith has not replied

  
Jazzns
Member (Idle past 3229 days)
Posts: 2657
From: A Better America
Joined: 07-23-2004


Message 108 of 127 (197559)
04-07-2005 8:04 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by Faith
04-07-2005 7:00 PM


Re: With regards to specifics.
Let me just ask you this before you quit.

Was this type of debate less stressful for you?

Did the effect of not being "piled on" help?

What is your reason for wanting to quit now? Not interested anymore? Lack of specific knowledge? Is it something I said?


This message is a reply to:
 Message 106 by Faith, posted 04-07-2005 7:00 PM Faith has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 109 by Faith, posted 04-07-2005 10:12 PM Jazzns has replied

  
Faith 
Suspended Member (Idle past 762 days)
Posts: 35298
From: Nevada, USA
Joined: 10-06-2001


Message 109 of 127 (197578)
04-07-2005 10:12 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by Jazzns
04-07-2005 8:04 PM


Re: With regards to specifics.
Let me just ask you this before you quit.
Was this type of debate less stressful for you?
-----------
Probably but it's hard to tell. Our posts got ridiculously long and I got very far behind. I actually went to other threads to take a break. Then the other threads got maddening and I got fed up with the whole thing here. Temper got the best of me I guess, but I'm still ticked off.
-----------
Did the effect of not being "piled on" help?
-----------
I don't know.
-----------
What is your reason for wanting to quit now? Not interested anymore? Lack of specific knowledge? Is it something I said?
-----------
Ticked off at the place in general and half a dozen posters and a couple of Admins in particular. Then you referred me back to your post which was already too long to read with two others yet to read, and I decided to throw in the towel.

But maybe I just need to calm down and come back later. I did have a direction I was trying to go in, but I don't know if I can get back to it.


This message is a reply to:
 Message 108 by Jazzns, posted 04-07-2005 8:04 PM Jazzns has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 110 by Jazzns, posted 04-08-2005 12:05 AM Faith has not replied

  
Jazzns
Member (Idle past 3229 days)
Posts: 2657
From: A Better America
Joined: 07-23-2004


Message 110 of 127 (197595)
04-08-2005 12:05 AM
Reply to: Message 109 by Faith
04-07-2005 10:12 PM


Re: With regards to specifics.
Part of the reason for this thread existance is to try to make it easy for you. Remember that there are no time contraints. Yea the posts might get a little long but you can take your time, sit back, read them all, and then make one consolidated response. This practice of having to make a response to each quote of the other person can get kind of out of hand sometimes.

Let me know if you want to stay or not. I hope that my style of posting is a little less imposing and frustrating then the quagmire that some of your other threads have descended into. Even though our progression may seem small it is at least a progression. I am beginning to understand the questions you are asking and hopefully am providing progressivly clearer responses.

The best advice I can give is that this is not a chat room it is a message board. Take your time and don't let the flood of traffic overwhelm you. No one is going to feel abandoned if you take a week to respond. Better the responses be well thought out and articulate than frequent.

If you do decide to quit this thread. Thanks for engaging me up to this point.


FOX has a pretty good system they have cooked up. 10 mil people watch the show on the network, FOX. Then 5 mil, different people, tune into FOX News to get outraged by it. I just hope that those good, God fearing people at FOX continue to battle those morally bankrupt people at FOX.
-- Lewis Black, The Daily Show

This message is a reply to:
 Message 109 by Faith, posted 04-07-2005 10:12 PM Faith has not replied

  
Jazzns
Member (Idle past 3229 days)
Posts: 2657
From: A Better America
Joined: 07-23-2004


Message 111 of 127 (198961)
04-13-2005 12:33 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by Faith
04-07-2005 7:00 PM


Question as to intent to continue.
Some others in the peanut gallery thread have questioned both the scope of the debate plus your willingness to continue.

I stand by my statement that you can take as long as you need but could you please give us a sure fire yes or no as to your intent on continuing.

As for the scope. It seems like we have settled on some clear examples of exactly the type of erosion you were expecting to see. I provided a few and JonF provided more in the peanut gallery thread. If you want to simple reset and discuss something else with regards to old earth sedimentation principles then we can do that too. It was also suggested that we limit our discussion to a specific example. Perhaps we can direct the tread to why the GC in particular does not contain some of these drastic features. Perhaps you have another related claim you want to explore. Either way, if you do want to continue, lets make sure to define what we are talking about clearly.

I'll bump this post until we get a response from you as to how you would like to proceed.

This message has been edited by Jazzns, 04-13-2005 09:35 AM


FOX has a pretty good system they have cooked up. 10 mil people watch the show on the network, FOX. Then 5 mil, different people, tune into FOX News to get outraged by it. I just hope that those good, God fearing people at FOX continue to battle those morally bankrupt people at FOX.
-- Lewis Black, The Daily Show

This message is a reply to:
 Message 106 by Faith, posted 04-07-2005 7:00 PM Faith has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 112 by Faith, posted 04-13-2005 1:01 PM Jazzns has not replied

  
Faith 
Suspended Member (Idle past 762 days)
Posts: 35298
From: Nevada, USA
Joined: 10-06-2001


Message 112 of 127 (198968)
04-13-2005 1:01 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by Jazzns
04-13-2005 12:33 PM


Re: Question as to intent to continue.
Yes, I expect to continue eventually, but I need more inspiration than I have at the moment as my mind is elsewhere, so it will take time to get back to it. Thanks if the time really doesn't matter.

Also I wasn't aware of the peanut gallery thread. Where is it?


This message is a reply to:
 Message 111 by Jazzns, posted 04-13-2005 12:33 PM Jazzns has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 113 by Admin, posted 04-13-2005 1:05 PM Faith has not replied
 Message 114 by Arkansas Banana Boy, posted 04-24-2005 4:30 PM Faith has not replied
 Message 116 by Arkansas Banana Boy, posted 08-03-2005 3:26 AM Faith has not replied

  
Admin
Director
Posts: 12814
From: EvC Forum
Joined: 06-14-2002
Member Rating: 2.5


Message 113 of 127 (198969)
04-13-2005 1:05 PM
Reply to: Message 112 by Faith
04-13-2005 1:01 PM


Re: Question as to intent to continue.
Faith writes:

Also I wasn't aware of the peanut gallery thread. Where is it?

Peanut gallery for Great Debate?

This message has been edited by Admin, 04-13-2005 12:06 PM


--Percy
EvC Forum Director

This message is a reply to:
 Message 112 by Faith, posted 04-13-2005 1:01 PM Faith has not replied

  
Arkansas Banana Boy
Inactive Member


Message 114 of 127 (201852)
04-24-2005 4:30 PM
Reply to: Message 112 by Faith
04-13-2005 1:01 PM


Re: Question as to intent to continue.
Bumpsky

This message is a reply to:
 Message 112 by Faith, posted 04-13-2005 1:01 PM Faith has not replied

  
Admin
Director
Posts: 12814
From: EvC Forum
Joined: 06-14-2002
Member Rating: 2.5


Message 115 of 127 (201875)
04-24-2005 5:20 PM


Faith writes in Message 240:

Faith writes:

If that's how you want to do it. But remember I got into the Great Debate on others' suggestions as it seemed the best way to deal with the piling-on problem. In other words, I didn't enter it with a clear understanding of the intention of a Great Debate, merely as a way of dealing with the previous problems, so I was far from having any ducks lined up for the purpose. But it's your call. I am sure I will again connect with the issues there but I don't want to go back to it uninspired.

Since Faith gives no indication of when she will resume the discussion I will close this thread. We now open it up to the peanut gallery at Peanut Gallery for the Faith/Jazzns Great Debate.


--Percy
EvC Forum Director

  
Arkansas Banana Boy
Inactive Member


Message 116 of 127 (229041)
08-03-2005 3:26 AM
Reply to: Message 112 by Faith
04-13-2005 1:01 PM


bump
bump

This message is a reply to:
 Message 112 by Faith, posted 04-13-2005 1:01 PM Faith has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 117 by AdminJar, posted 08-03-2005 9:23 AM Arkansas Banana Boy has not replied

  
AdminJar
Inactive Member


Message 117 of 127 (229102)
08-03-2005 9:23 AM
Reply to: Message 116 by Arkansas Banana Boy
08-03-2005 3:26 AM


Re: bump
Please remember this is a GD now for Jazzns and Faith

This message has been edited by AdminJar, 08-03-2005 08:24 AM


This message is a reply to:
 Message 116 by Arkansas Banana Boy, posted 08-03-2005 3:26 AM Arkansas Banana Boy has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 118 by Jazzns, posted 08-03-2005 10:56 AM AdminJar has not replied

  
Jazzns
Member (Idle past 3229 days)
Posts: 2657
From: A Better America
Joined: 07-23-2004


Message 118 of 127 (229128)
08-03-2005 10:56 AM
Reply to: Message 117 by AdminJar
08-03-2005 9:23 AM


Re: bump
Like I said before, if Faith wants to debate with patience, understanding, and clarity I still hold to my original offer. I don't know how she feels about that though since she seemd so angry for how she was treated for some reason at the closing of this thread.

I guess we will have to ask her what she wants to do. I would also be willing to hand the baton off to someone else. rox expressed interest when this thread first got off the ground. I am sure if we just asked there might be a bunch of folk willing to take over. This is of course all depends on what Faith wants. I have no interest in debating with someone who does not want to debate in good faith with me.


Organizations worth supporting:
www.eff.org (Protect Privacy and Security)
www.aclu.org (Protect Civil Rights)
www.aaup.org (Protect Higher Learning)

This message is a reply to:
 Message 117 by AdminJar, posted 08-03-2005 9:23 AM AdminJar has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 119 by Faith, posted 08-03-2005 12:38 PM Jazzns has replied

  
Faith 
Suspended Member (Idle past 762 days)
Posts: 35298
From: Nevada, USA
Joined: 10-06-2001


Message 119 of 127 (229167)
08-03-2005 12:38 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by Jazzns
08-03-2005 10:56 AM


Re: bump
Well, now I can get onto the thread.

Not angry at all. You catastrophize ordinary words, such as "threaten" which in context of closing a thread has no dire overtones or implications. However, I've agreed to debate, and doubting my good faith is a bad start. I'm not going to post here until I get caught up on my work and pull away from some of the other threads and review this one and the peanut gallery first. OK? Let's start between us and if you want to hand off the baton at some point we agree on that's OK too, but we have to agree on it at that point.

This message has been edited by Faith, 08-03-2005 12:49 PM


This message is a reply to:
 Message 118 by Jazzns, posted 08-03-2005 10:56 AM Jazzns has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 120 by Jazzns, posted 08-03-2005 2:53 PM Faith has replied

  
Jazzns
Member (Idle past 3229 days)
Posts: 2657
From: A Better America
Joined: 07-23-2004


Message 120 of 127 (229265)
08-03-2005 2:53 PM
Reply to: Message 119 by Faith
08-03-2005 12:38 PM


Re: bump
Look, other fighting aside I will try my best to stick to my original purpose for even wanting to debate with you about this. No pressure, no time limits, honest debate.

Lets just forget the past and start fresh. With regards to catching up on the stuff you might have missed when this was closed, take a look at the examples I listed previously in the GC of island topography. Others posted good examples of river and other topography buried in the geologic column. With all simplicity, the large erosional deformations which you said you expected to exist if millions of years of erosion had happened do actually exist.

From here I can see us going in one of a few directions. I would like to know what a scientific explanation for those features would be given a young earth. Then there are the layers without erosional surfaces which you have expressed a problem with. It would be good to rehash what your understanding of how those form is according to mainstream geology. Then we can see if that actually matches what mainstream geology says to make sure we are on the same page about what the theory actually is.


Organizations worth supporting:
www.eff.org (Protect Privacy and Security)
www.aclu.org (Protect Civil Rights)
www.aaup.org (Protect Higher Learning)

This message is a reply to:
 Message 119 by Faith, posted 08-03-2005 12:38 PM Faith has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 121 by Faith, posted 08-05-2005 6:01 AM Jazzns has not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2018 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.1
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2022