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Author Topic:   Who Are The Xians? What Is Xmas?
ramoss
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Message 136 of 301 (267125)
12-09-2005 8:41 AM
Reply to: Message 106 by joshua221
12-08-2005 10:26 PM


That is not a trend I see. I have seen many devote Christians use Xtian. I have seen many devote CHristians use XMAS.
The trendis the evangalistic Christians are finding another fad thing to get upset about.

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purpledawn
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Message 137 of 301 (267127)
12-09-2005 8:43 AM
Reply to: Message 134 by nator
12-09-2005 6:51 AM


Catholic vs Protestant
quote:
The Catholocs understand what you are apparently incapable of understanding. They use the fish and the Chi and they understand what it means in the Greek.
Interesting difference. I grew up Protestant and never learned about the Chi. The churches I have been to don't teach the actual church history. They just teach the NT.
The people I find that are offended by the X are Protestant.
Personally I find it fascinating.
Learn something new every day! Purple

There are two ways of spreading light: to be the candle or the mirror that reflects it. -Edith Wharton

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ramoss
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Message 138 of 301 (267128)
12-09-2005 8:47 AM
Reply to: Message 132 by arachnophilia
12-09-2005 2:42 AM


Re: In defense of buz
I am sure that one of the "fox's" talking heads have repopularised the ignorance. Anything for a buck.

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cavediver
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Message 139 of 301 (267211)
12-09-2005 1:57 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by crashfrog
12-09-2005 1:17 AM


Re: Greek, English Not Same
Ok, I know I should have better things to do... but
Similarly, epsilon is used as "summation" in algebra, even though the letter "e" does not appear anywhere in that word.
We don't use epsilon, we use sigma... because "summation" does begin with an "s". And the integral sign is just an elongated "s" for the same reason.
And to keep OT, as a Xian I dislike the abbreviation and will never ever use it.

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crashfrog
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Message 140 of 301 (267213)
12-09-2005 2:05 PM
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12-09-2005 1:57 PM


Re: Greek, English Not Same
We don't use epsilon, we use sigma... because "summation" does begin with an "s". And the integral sign is just an elongated "s" for the same reason.
Well, I'm a math idiot, so I guess I got my sigma and epsilon confused. Probably because capital sigma still looks like a weird E.
But I don't get it about the integral sign. "Integral" doesn't begin with an S.
And to keep OT, as a Xian I dislike the abbreviation and will never ever use it.
Funny. Of course, it took me a while to get the joke, because when I read that, I automagically percieve "Christian" in place of the abbreviation.

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clpMINI
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Message 141 of 301 (267244)
12-09-2005 3:05 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by nator
12-09-2005 6:41 AM


Merry Fish-mas!
schraf said:
So, do you hate all of those Xian fish emblems that people have on their cars and wear around their necks, too?
Coz the "x" that the fish makes is the "x" that stands for "Chi" in Greek that the early persecuted Xians used to identify each other.
So you think we should start saying "Merry Fish-mas" then?

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Hangdawg13
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Message 142 of 301 (267251)
12-09-2005 3:29 PM


Christ and Culture
The United States has been a predominately Christian nation for a while so for better or worse, Christ has worked his way into American culture. Now the United States is becoming less of a Christian nation and Christ is fading out of culture.
Culture is always changing. Many of our Christmas traditions have only been around a hundred years or so. IMO, it is completely ridiculous to try and force a status quo upon culture. The culture changes only after people themselves have changed.
If all these Christians want to keep Christ in the culture, they should pray, serve, love, and spread the Good News rather than use lawsuits and boycotts to force Christ back in. IMO, culture is mostly neutral and Christ's truth will flourish in any cultural context where people humbly seek God.
Although I think the argument over substituting Christ with an X is ridiculous, I must admit in defense of Buzz and others that if I were in charge of a 1984 world and wanted to eliminate Christ-speak I would first change Christ to X. Since 95% of the population are ignorant of the original Greek langauge and Hebraic context of abbreviations, this would be a good first step towards getting the masses' minds off of Christ.
Luckily, we don't live in a 1984 world. We have the freedom of speech. And the wisest way to use this freedom is to speak truth so that others my know Christ in us rather than quibble over neutral matters.
If I have a friend that is offended by Xmas, I won't use it around Him. If someone does use the word Xmas, I certainly can't criticize him for it either.
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crashfrog
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Message 143 of 301 (267253)
12-09-2005 3:47 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by Hangdawg13
12-09-2005 3:29 PM


Re: Christ and Culture
Although I think the argument over substituting Christ with an X is ridiculous
Minor grammar quibble - it's not "an X", it's "a X".

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cavediver
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Message 144 of 301 (267254)
12-09-2005 3:48 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by crashfrog
12-09-2005 2:05 PM


Re: Greek, English Not Same
Probably because capital sigma still looks like a weird E.
Of course. We purposely do that to trap unwary folks like yourself, so that by virtue of you looking stupid, we look even more clever (if that is possible)
But I don't get it about the integral sign. "Integral" doesn't begin with an S.
An integral is still a sum, just an infinte sum of infinitessimals.
because when I read that, I automagically percieve "Christian" in place of the abbreviation.
At the risk of losing credibility, for a long time I pronounced it "chian" and wondererd what the hell it meant
BTW, "automagically"??? What level mage do you need to be for that 'cos I haven't reached it yet?

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JustinC
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Message 145 of 301 (267261)
12-09-2005 3:58 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by crashfrog
12-09-2005 2:05 PM


Re: Greek, English Not Same
quote:
But I don't get it about the integral sign. "Integral" doesn't begin with an S.
An integral is the "sum" of an infinite number of areas [f(x)dx] under a functions graph.

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arachnophilia
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Message 146 of 301 (267281)
12-09-2005 5:39 PM
Reply to: Message 137 by purpledawn
12-09-2005 8:43 AM


Re: Catholic vs Protestant
The people I find that are offended by the X are Protestant.
protestant is a big group. i suggest that most mainstream protestant faiths don't care -- we're dealing with a much smaller and more vocal group.

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purpledawn
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Message 147 of 301 (267285)
12-09-2005 5:51 PM
Reply to: Message 146 by arachnophilia
12-09-2005 5:39 PM


Re: Catholic vs Protestant
I wasn't talking whole groups, just that the people I have come in contact with who express their offense have been from the protestant background, not Catholic. Yes I have come in contact with Catholics.

There are two ways of spreading light: to be the candle or the mirror that reflects it. -Edith Wharton

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crashfrog
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Message 148 of 301 (267297)
12-09-2005 6:14 PM
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12-09-2005 3:48 PM


Re: Greek, English Not Same
BTW, "automagically"??? What level mage do you need to be for that 'cos I haven't reached it yet?
4th rank of the Knights of the Lambda Calculus.

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Buzsaw
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Message 149 of 301 (267342)
12-09-2005 8:38 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by Coragyps
12-07-2005 9:23 AM


It Wouldn't Fly
arach writes:
I like it! I like it a LOT! Thanks, Buz!
Ax your xgnostic friends how they would accept it's usage extensively by certain folks biased towards agnostics. Methinks if folks like buzsaw, Faith, Randman, et al had persisted in using the term, 'xgnostic' denoting agnostics on this board prior to this thread, we'd have been admonished for it, either by admin or some agnostics here. Or how about if folks critical of Islam used Xlam or some other similar term made up of a non-word? How do you think that would fly?

The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buzsaw

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Coragyps
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Message 150 of 301 (267347)
12-09-2005 8:49 PM
Reply to: Message 149 by Buzsaw
12-09-2005 8:38 PM


Re: It Wouldn't Fly
That was I, not Arach -
and you've had it explained to you nearly ad nauseum how the usage "Xmas" isn't a "term made up of a non-word." Get over yourself, Buz.
Sincerely,
Xnostic Coragyps

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