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This had to do with that lady thinking she knows what's right and wrong to say on the air because she feels she can speak for the public. ... If you don't like what O & A say on THEIR show then change the station - especially on satellite. But more important, who the (curse word*) are you to say there is a line to be crossed? That's why jokes are considered "wrong to say," because people think their feelings mean something to the rest of us. ... But when the market speaks, as in the case with Howard Stern and Opie & Anthony, and people say they like the show and listen, then who are you or anyone else to think your opinion or taste in humor matters? This is a free speech issue within the context of O & A's show and them being free to do and say whatever they feel is funny on THEIR show over satellite radio. Her taste in humor, or anyone elses, shouldn't interfere with that. |
Again who cares what she considers funny on a radio show, change the channel and stop being the PC police. ... Why is this PC cunt making an issue of it when all anyone has to do is change the station? ... There are no consequences in this case, what there is is bitchy, whinny, PC cops trying to make themselves relevant by grasping to anything anyone says and making an issue of it. That's not a consequence to what Patrice or O & A said, it's an annoyance. ... She heard something, probably second hand because I'M SURE she's not listening to O & A on a regular basis, then SHE decide to make an issue of it. ... She's a person with no life who pretends to care about what the public should be listening to, but she has her own agenda and is clinging to anything she can to make a name for herself. ... The audience of the O & A show will decide if they care to listen, not some PC cunt who heard about it second hand and decide she would make an issue of it. ... People are getting outraged over WORDS. Its weak and pathetic. Change the station and get on with your pathetic life. ... So your opinion doesn't matter. ... You are just someone who heard what he said and got offended, so fine, sorry your feelings go hurt but heres what you do, don't watch Patrice or listen to O & A. Problem solved. But I like them, I also like Patrice. Who are you to tell me different? ... Who are you to tell them they can't enjoy it? ... And if there is an audience of people that love to watch you perform, then no one elses opinion matters. ... everyone else who doesn't listen to them should shut the fuck up about it. ... she's just some idiot trying to make a name for herself by going after some one like O & A because they have so much recognition. ... And those who don't like it can just not listen to it or watch performances by Patrice. Its that simple, change the station and get on with your pathetic, uninteresting lives and leave comedy to the comedians. ... But don't tell others what they should and shouldn't find funny or listen to. |
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I see onifre is engaging in conversation. If he wanted to shut it down, he'd just stop responding.
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Just because his view of things is that she is over reacting, doesn't mean he is shutting anything down.
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OK Rrhain, you go right ahead and believe that. Meanwhile I'll interpert onifre to be saying that if the audience didn't like the show and refused to listen to O&A, then there will be proper action taken which he would be find with.
This had to do with that lady thinking she knows what's right and wrong to say on the air because she feels she can speak for the public. ... If you don't like what O & A say on THEIR show then change the station - especially on satellite. But more important, who the (curse word*) are you to say there is a line to be crossed? That's why jokes are considered "wrong to say," because people think their feelings mean something to the rest of us. ... But when the market speaks, as in the case with Howard Stern and Opie & Anthony, and people say they like the show and listen, then who are you or anyone else to think your opinion or taste in humor matters? This is a free speech issue within the context of O & A's show and them being free to do and say whatever they feel is funny on THEIR show over satellite radio. Her taste in humor, or anyone elses, shouldn't interfere with that. |
Again who cares what she considers funny on a radio show, change the channel and stop being the PC police. ... Why is this PC cunt making an issue of it when all anyone has to do is change the station? ... There are no consequences in this case, what there is is bitchy, whinny, PC cops trying to make themselves relevant by grasping to anything anyone says and making an issue of it. That's not a consequence to what Patrice or O & A said, it's an annoyance. ... She heard something, probably second hand because I'M SURE she's not listening to O & A on a regular basis, then SHE decide to make an issue of it. ... She's a person with no life who pretends to care about what the public should be listening to, but she has her own agenda and is clinging to anything she can to make a name for herself. ... The audience of the O & A show will decide if they care to listen, not some PC cunt who heard about it second hand and decide she would make an issue of it. ... People are getting outraged over WORDS. Its weak and pathetic. Change the station and get on with your pathetic life. ... So your opinion doesn't matter. ... You are just someone who heard what he said and got offended, so fine, sorry your feelings go hurt but heres what you do, don't watch Patrice or listen to O & A. Problem solved. But I like them, I also like Patrice. Who are you to tell me different? ... Who are you to tell them they can't enjoy it? ... And if there is an audience of people that love to watch you perform, then no one elses opinion matters. ... everyone else who doesn't listen to them should shut the fuck up about it. ... she's just some idiot trying to make a name for herself by going after some one like O & A because they have so much recognition. ... And those who don't like it can just not listen to it or watch performances by Patrice. Its that simple, change the station and get on with your pathetic, uninteresting lives and leave comedy to the comedians. ... But don't tell others what they should and shouldn't find funny or listen to. |
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On the other hand if the people listening to the O&A show weren't offended and found the show funny, or the bit funny, this woman's personal opinion should not affect anything.
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Sure, I'll listen to her, and she'll listen to me. But in the end, neither of our opinons should affect anything. The listeners of the O&A show will make the final verdict.
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Because that is what he seems to be saying to me.
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Fox News framed this as a joke about raping black woman. When it wasn't. It was some guys laughing about fucking women.
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Then they tried to angle this as some kind of 'is radio cleaning house?'
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THEY were making out to be a big thing. When as you point out, it wasn't.
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So what you meant by "He doesn't want there to be any consequences." was that you think bigots get to choose who censor?
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I think his complaint more centres around the idea that she is trying to represent a larger majority than she actually in fact does.
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I know that more words by themselves does not result in censorship of previous words.
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Why are you talking?
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You aren't apologizing for the joke either.
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I came to the opinion that onifre and Patrice believed the NOW woman had a minority view by reading their words in which they expressed that view.
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You probably got confused again between me telling you what someone else's opinion is with my own opinion.
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yes, the internet remembers things. Go back and double-check if you really like, but I can confirm that the words you copied and pasted from my post were typed by me.
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Wanting to have sex with someone is rape?I thought rape was having sex with somebody without their consent?
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It's a significant impediment to discussion if you don't expand on your assertions.
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I gave you an argument as to why it wasn't necessarily rape.
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Now - where is your evidence that Homeless Charlie 'meant it'?
Charlie: I'd love to fuck that bitch. She needs a fukin' man. I'll fuck that bitch... Anthony: I just imagine the horror in Condoleezza Rice's face Opie: (Laughing) As she realizes what's going on. Anthony: As you were just holding her down and fucking her. Charlie: Punch her all in the fucking face. Shut up bitch! Anthony: That's exactly what I meant. (Laughter) Charlie: You know... fuck... and George Bush wife... I'll fuck that bitch to death. Anthony: Yea? Charlie: Oh yea. She needs a man. |
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I was careful to not specify anybody
They don't listen to what happened, take someone they trust's summary of the situation and then spin it into a whole new mythos that gets everyone saying they were joking about raping a black woman. In fact, if you watch the video Fox News frames the discussion that way from the outset. |
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I merely observed that it is common for the vocal minority to speak out against something they haven't witnessed.
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People speaking out about films they never watched, books they never read are replete and I'll be happy to find an example of this should you have managed to miss this delightful aspect of life.
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Psst, that's where you quote or link to the bit I missed and talk about it
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Is Anthony being sarcastic at the end there?
"As long as you don't hurt nobody." This coming from a guy that POPS old ladies in the head. |
Anthony: I just imagine the horror in Condoleezza Rice's face Opie: (Laughing) As she realizes what's going on. Anthony: As you were just holding her down and fucking her. |
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So it shouldn't be difficult for you to find some evidence that the O&A bit could be more damaging to society than it was beneficial
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The question is - why did their employers 'have' to respond?
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If it was a vocal minority
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He was taking the piss.
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Your inability to make sense of it
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Precisely, and since you were construing onifre's comments as offensive, therefore your comments were too.
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Even if we assume your understanding of context is perfect: In the context of 'It was fair turnaround' you failed to take into account a minority of sensitive people that might have been so sensitive they didn't take it into account. Therefore, causing offence to sensitive homosexuals.
C'mon, onifre, just come out and say it. You'll feel so much better when you come out of the closet and stop hiding your true feelings. Every time you try to deflect it by calling other people "fag," you only show just how deep your self-hatred goes. ... Look, I understand what you're trying to do. You think that by goading me often enough, I'll take pity on you and treat you like the submissive piece of shit you have objectified yourself as. Now, there are plenty of dominants who will do that for you. You might even be able to find one who will respond to your attempts. But there's a difference between being a "pushy bottom" and a pathetic asshole. The ones who will snap and respond the way you want them to will not have your interests at heart and you'll only get hurt. A good dominant knows that even when a bottom says he has no limits, there are always limits and will not cross them no matter how much the bottom begs. A good top will never break his toys, though they may need some maintenance when he's through. So no, onifre, I'm not going to sleep with you. First, get your headspace adjusted so that you have come to terms with the reality of your need to be humiliated. But even then, I'm not going to sleep with you. |
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Having read and understand my last post you already know why I'm 'coming down' on you and not onifre since I said it.
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On the other hand, you went apeshit with implications that onifre wanted to fuck you
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which could have been humorous if you had delivered well.
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Yes, that's what people who are getting defensive do - they lash out and try to point out the flaws in others and all those other things.
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I'm not acting as moderator, nobody is criticising my abilities as a moderator and I am not circling any wagons. What the hell are you gibbering about?
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Temporarily suspending a member that was using personal insults directly lead to the collapse of this forum? Or was it when I expressed my opinion that I disagreed with the opinions of a group of other members that caused the metaphorical sky to fall?
You've not explicitly broken any rules Dan |
Think it through. Keeping the forum from degrading into a flamewar is a good goal. It's what we want you to do. Is that what your actions are doing? Think it through. Do you think that you, Percy, and Moose can ever be cruel enough, capricious enough, and suspend enough people unfairly that people will stop complaining openly about you being cruel, capricious, and unfair? In the history of despotism, has that ever worked? Think it through. |
I'd say something like "I fully expect to be suspended for this", but like you did with Dan Carrol, I suspect I'd be misinterpreted. People don't say that to indicate that they're about to violate the guidelines. People say that because they know the moderator attention their about to receive is so predictably biased against them that they can forsee the unfair action they're about to take. But let me say this. If any of you are toying with the notion of suspending me for continuing this subject - and remember that this is the suspension of Rrhain we're talking about right now, not Berb's suspension - consider that, if you suspend me someone else will pop up to complain about how unfair that is. It happened when you suspended Berb, it happened when you suspended Dan for complaining about suspending Berb, it happened when you suspended Rrhain for complaining about suspending Dan. |
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I thought that the general populace's (and I include myself in that) inability to let the matter drop resulted in a change in the way the moderation thread was structured (and the composition of the moderator team) which in turn lead to some members leaving in protest.
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I was just pointing out that I made a single wry comment and you bring up a years old discussion and try and fling shit my way.
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Do you think radio hosts are obligated to vet their guests for opinions that might offend?
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