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Taq Member Posts: 10084 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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I think there are two things acting in these cases.
1. Famous people. For whatever reason, we now like to see famous people topple from their pedestals. The more famous they are, the more we want to see them fall. These PC scandals are just an extension of the same trend that involves cell phone hacks, sex tape scandals, and the nitty-gritty of divorce proceedings. 2. Hypersensitivity after the Civil Rights movement. Telling jokes is one thing. Jokes, by their very nature, are ways of conveying uncomfortable beliefs in a more socially acceptable fashion. What we don't want to see is people using their position to dehumanize others. This is even truer in this generation where people are trying to distance themselves from the overt racism and bigotry in past generations. We are only 50 years beyond Jim Crow laws, let's not forget. Racism is still an open wound in this country, and it will take time to heal.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Taq writes:
That's it exactly. You can make a joke about how stupid black people are or you can make a similar joke about how stupid racism is. Unfortunately, the difference is too subtle for some people to comprehend.
What we don't want to see is people using their position to dehumanize others.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Just that sueing Oprah is ridiculous I think that lesson cuts both ways. It's just as silly to complain about someone's blog as it is to complain about Oprah not liking cheese burgers anymore.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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That's it exactly. You can make a joke about how stupid black people are or you can make a similar joke about how stupid racism is. Unfortunately, the difference is too subtle for some people to comprehend. Well the difference might not just be subtle, it may depend on how much we trust the speaker. For example, I thought the bus wreck example was pretty clearly a joke about racism (at least the version you told was). It's much tougher to dig out that same kind of social commentary from the version Oni prefers. And I still don't see how a poster of Obama as a baby monkey being bottle fed by Ronald Reagan is some kind of commentary on racism. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1495 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
To me, it seems more appropriate when it's making fun of us white folks. I don't want to start a thing, but you understand that's because of privilege, right?
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
n a joke, all things are possible. Do you think that having talking dead people makes sense in the context of this joke? I think it would remove the ironical aspect. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
I didn't see it as any kind of commentary. I just saw it as funny. And I still don't see how a poster of Obama as a baby monkey being bottle fed by Ronald Reagan is some kind of commentary on racism. Racism is natural and so is humour. We should resist the natural urge to be racist but I don't think it's healthy to resist the natural urge to laugh.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
crashfrog writes:
Yes, it's more appropriate to laugh at the privileged than the underpriviledged.
ringo writes:
I don't want to start a thing, but you understand that's because of privilege, right? To me, it seems more appropriate when it's making fun of us white folks.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
I don't think jokes have to make sense. The absurdity is what's funny.
Do you think that having talking dead people makes sense in the context of this joke?
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
Oni writes: any one who gets offended is a "weak" person. Now I don't think I agree with that, but then again I really don't understand what "being offended" is. I guess my "line" for being offended is almost non-existent. I don't think I can get offended Hey Oni, I think the juxtaposition of two ideas, told with impeccable timing, could lead me to laugh at anything. If you're a fan of "Family Guy" you probably also found yourself laughing at SOME very inappropriate jokes. However, even I seem to have limits . . . I am unsure if the following is on-topic or not. It is a series of "jokes" told by Bush Jr. at the annual Radio and Television Correspondents Dinner that I found to be the most offensive jokes ever publicly told in history. Yet the crowd seemed to enjoy them immensely: W. Bush jokes about weapons of mass destructionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nb8Onp_s3g Since Bush Jr. isn't a professional comedian [insert snarky remark here], then perhaps this is outside of your thread's topic. However, if on-topic . . . Since people DID laugh, you can't really brush away the jokes as not funny or poorly constructed. Because many people DID laugh, do you think your friend could correctly label me a "weak" person for being offended? Am I a hypocrite for finding some humor offensive and not others? Lastly, does the Mortgage Debt Relief Act of 2007 which generally allows taxpayers to exclude income from the discharge of debt on their principal residence ALSO apply to property I own in an unincorporated territory of the United States such as Puerto Rico?
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onifre Member (Idle past 2979 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
However, shouldn't Aflac be the one that the Public is outraged at? Was the "public" outraged though? Or did the outrage come from some other source, like possibly advertisers? When is the "public" ever outraged? Who's "the public" anyway?
It may be that comics should start requesting clauses in contracts protecting them from any behavior that could be expected from watching previous acts they have done.
Yeah that might be something to look into. It's hard enough to police the room for people filming your act. If a comic is just working a bit out, and it's far from ready or the comic is exploring different punchlines, etc., and the video makes it on youtube it makes the comic look like shit. - Oni
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onifre Member (Idle past 2979 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
But one thing it isn't, one thing it cannot be, is an infringement on free speech rights. That's my only point. Ok. I agree. But my friend's complaint was that by being offended and us having to change what we say, it infringes on our freedom of speech.
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onifre Member (Idle past 2979 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
It's just as silly to complain about someone's blog as it is to complain about Oprah not liking cheese burgers anymore. But no one is complain about the blog, what we're complaining about is the media reaction to one bloggers claiming to have been offended. - Oni
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I don't think jokes have to make sense. The absurdity is what's funny. Yes. But coming back to life is not the absurdity suggested in this particular joke. The absurdity is the expression by the policeman that white or black people could lie about being alive.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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onifre Member (Idle past 2979 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
However, if on-topic . . . Hey Drone, It's on topic, and a good point too. Other people reading jokes comics wrote, that aren't their own ideas and thoughts, but getting shit for it.
Since people DID laugh, you can't really brush away the jokes as not funny or poorly constructed. Because many people DID laugh, do you think your friend could correctly label me a "weak" person for being offended? Yes, What are you offended at? The jokes or Bush making jokes about it? Maybe you dislike Bush (Maybe? hahaha) and are finding a way to hate him more, so you select the jokes he told, label them offensive, then you can be angry again at something Bush did. Does that make sense?
Am I a hypocrite for finding some humor offensive and not others? I wouldn't say hypocrite, I think instead you're just projecting your dislike of Bush onto anything you can find. Like with someone who gets offended at a rape joke. Is it the joke they dislike, or have they experienced being raped, know someone who has been, and are projecting their anger of that onto the joke and the comic who told it?
Lastly, does the Mortgage Debt Relief Act of 2007 which generally allows taxpayers to exclude income from the discharge of debt on their principal residence ALSO apply to property I own in an unincorporated territory of the United States such as Puerto Rico? That was funny. And I liked that you used the rule of 3. - Oni
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