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PaulK
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Message 13 of 18 (102817)
04-26-2004 1:46 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Dr Jack
04-26-2004 8:44 AM


I'll certainly agree that we need ot be able to describe events as being a combination of random and deterministic factors rather than relying on a simple dichotomy. However I don't think that we can simply classify "willed" as a third option in the context of this discussion where the nature of will is a central issue. Any suggestion that "will" is somehow distinct requires justification and an explanation of how it differs from determinism or a mix of chance and determinism when the inner workings of the mind are considered.

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Message 16 of 18 (103014)
04-27-2004 6:27 AM
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I disagree that dualism necessitates the creation of a third category. Simply proposing that "mind" is a seperate "substance" does not entail that it's operations cannot be classified as some mixture of chance and determinism.
However there is a legitimate third category that we have not considered - "fated". I do not beleive that it applies to anything but it is not in itself incoherent.
I would say that the classificiations of the operation of a system go like this:
1) Determinism: The system will always give a particular output when starting from a particular internal state and presented with a particular set of inputs. The inputs may or may not have relevance.
2) Chance : There are a range of possible outputs for each initial state and set of inputs. (In actual cases this range and the probability distributions of the results will virtually always be restricted by the deterministic operations of the system so this is better considered as a combination of determinism and chance)
3) Fate : There is one possible output regardless of the state of the system and the inputs.
Since determinism is the only option which allows the internal state to dominate the output I suggest that determinism is the only option compatible with anything worth of the name "will".

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