Bible and "kind"

I really believe that it is only a very, very small but vocal minority of Christians that take the Bible literally. Noah and the Ark is a great childrens story that could be acted out around the campfire with the little kids being all kinds of animals. Two could be tall, swaying giraffe and two could be big roaring lions, another two would be great lumbering elephants while the last little child herded baby ducks up the ramp.But when Noah brought the tarantulla aboard my best guess is they were met by Mrs. Noah's broom and a short squishing sound.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

what major differences do you see between humans and chimps? I don't see that many myself.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Let's start with the current living ones.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Actually, I don't see much difference.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

No.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Actually, there is very little difference between the behaviour of Chimps and humans. In fact I'd go so far as to say that the behavior traits of Chimps in particular is one of the stronger arguments supporting Evolution.edited to fix the quote so it might make sense. Cache is Cache
They

• have communities
• hunt and gather food
• show cooperation in planning and executing tasks
• use tools
• communicate within the group
• have members that specialize in different parts of a communal task
• can plan ahead

This message has been edited by jar, 05-05-2004 10:07 AM

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

You're right about the quote. Had the wrong string in cache. I fixed it.But yes, Chimps do make tools.And you need to remember that humans have only been building cities (and there are still many cultures that don't build cities) for a very, very short period of time. Real roads are even newer. Until very recently, roads were exactly like the pathways that Chimps have and even like those of many other species.Sometimes we tend to forget just how recent our modern culture really is. Things like cities only appeard a moment ago and until then, the lives of the average human and chimpanzee were very, very much alike.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Please show evidence that chimps or even snails do not have soul or spirit?Or conversely, please show evidence that humans have soul or spirit and that is different from what chimps have.I happen to believe that humans have soul and spirit, and that all other animals do as well. But that is simply a belief, and certainly not Science. Since neither a soul or spirit can be observed, tested or demonstrated, they can not be used as a way to define difference.Whether body can arise from lifeless chemicals is still a very open question, but one that will likely be demonstrated within the very near future. When that happens, and it will, will that finally put an end to the Creation Myths?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

But none of that shows that it is not also a characteristic of any living thing.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I would change that slightly to say that all the evidence seems to show that both humans and apes came from the same creature and that humans and chimps are more closely related than either are to some of the other apes.While the human and chimp may well be comsidered cousins, the human and gorilla or chimp and gorilla relation is far more just kissing cousins. In fact, while marriage between a human and chimp might be acceptable in Mississippi, a marriage between a human and Gorilla would raise eyebrows and most likely even cause gossip.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

That goes back to the floating definition of Kind. Nobody knows what kind is and so nobody can make reasonable arguments related to it.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Well, if there is a common ancestor, then the human, chimp and gorilla were not created by GOD. Instead, it was the common ancestor is what was created by GOD. Or the common ancestor of that common ancestor. Or the initial single cell where it all started.But if we even accepted the definition that kind is differentiated simply by whether or not a given species interbreed, then the problem becomes even bigger. Now, the number of Kind increases geometrically. It simply compounds the illogic of tales like the Ark myth.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

You are right. Drop the ARK.But if Man and Ape have a common ancestor, then they were not created as kind. In fact, were not created. It was the ancestor in that case that must be kind. Is that correct?

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Evolution has absolutely NOTHING to do with adding or subtracting pieces parts. It does not even have anything to do with increasing in complexity. Evolution is simply a statemnet of what DID happen. If the evolution is losing a part (for example, in thesome of the primates the devolution of the tail into a coccyx) then fine. But it is simply a statement of what happened.

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