why aren't flowering plants in the lowest layers?

I tackled this odd assertion some time ago here: http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=page&f=7&t=14&p=2
http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=page&f=7&t=14&p=3Me and Joe Meert tumbled around it but I think that either Mark24 was confused when he typed up the question or it was something else. (irridium is a heavy element)As for Flowering plants, this is more biology/zoology than hydrology or geology. So for the same reason I don't argue too much in Cosmology and biology, this isn't going to be a strong point for me.--This will also need a bump: http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=page&f=7&t=21&p=7--I know Joe had something to compile by June 1st(?), though he's been posting around and its past this date.--Also sorry about the lack in posting, I went surfing on Friday on the East coast of Florida and got a serious sun burn so I've been in pain for the past couple days. I'll start posting and doing more reading in a few.------------------

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"I couldn't follow your proposed scenario. Could you explain it again at, say, a 4th grade level? If I can just get a general idea of what the proposed events were and the order that they happened that would be great."
--Hm.. Well I'm confused as well as to what the initial question is. I mean I know what the question is but I don't see its relevance, it seems 'misplaced'. Are you referring to Mark24's question here:

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If the layer has a higher concentration of iridium than lava, how did a THIN global layer of iridium rich rock appear in the turbulent waters of the flood?

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http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=page&f=7&t=14&p=2--If it is, I think it is evident by the fact that iridium is one of the heaviest natural elements, right next to the element osmium.
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"In the YEC timeline, the iridium from this meteor has to be spread to the entire world's oceans in a matter of minutes or hours, which requires very vigorous mixing. Then it has to settle out in another short time - minutes or hours - which cannot happen in a real ocean, especially one being mixed so vigorously. Otherwise the iridium anomaly would be spread throughout the entire geologic column, not concentrated in a layer only millimeters to centimeters thick. "
--Nice link, however do you have the variables handy which were used to calculate this? ie, do you have the data?--This is another nice link and a graph of the concentration of iridium, the format is interesting by which it decreases in quantity. http://rainbow.ldeo.columbia.edu/courses/v1001/impact23.html------------------

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"Anbar, A. D., G. J. Wasserburg, D. A. Papanastassiou, and P. S. Andersson, Iridium in natural waters, Science , 273, 1524-1528, 1996 http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/273/5281/1524
--I don't think I'm able to access this, would you post the abstract or the article here, we can keep it a secret . Or something to get around this.------------------

"It seems to decay exponentially over tens of thousands of years, corraborating Anbar's numbers very nicely."
--Actually I think in the mainstream model, you would rather use atmospheric iridium precipitation models. Your not going to need to use ocean depths to analyze what ws deposited without the presence of water, let alone ocean depths. Unless of course I misunderstand the information that is actually included in the full article.I just spotted this page which may have some information valuable to this discrepancy: http://es.epa.gov/ncer/final/grants/96/air/ondov2.htmlSome other resources which like the other, am unable to access:Hansen, H. J., Rasmussen, K. L., Gwozdz, R. & Kunzendorf, H., 1987.
Iridium-bearing carbon black at the Cretaceous-Tertiary boundary. Bulletin
of the Geological Society of Denmark, 36, 305-314.Lerbekmo, J. F., Sweet, A. R. & St. Louis, R. M., 1987. The relationship
between the iridium anomaly and palynological floral events at three
Cretaceous-Tertiary boundary localities in western Canada. Geological
Society of America Bulletin, 99, 325-330.Tredoux, M., De Wit, M. J., Hart, R. J., Linsay, N. M., Verhagen, B. &
Sellschop, J. P. F., 1988. Chemostratigraphy across the Cretaceous-Tertiary
boundary and a critical assessment of the iridium anomaly. Journal of
Geology, 97, 585-605.Crockett, J. H., Officer, C. B., C., W. F. & Johnson, G. D., 1988.
Distribution of noble metals across the Cretaceous/Tertiary boundary at
Gubbio, Italy: Iridium variation as a constraint on the duration and nature
of Cretaceous/Tertiary boundary events. Geology, 16, 77-80.Robin, E., Boclet, D., Bont, P., Froget, L., Jhanno, C. & Rocchia, R.,
1991. The stratigraphic distribution of Ni-rich spinels in
Cretaceous-Tertiary boundary rocks at El Kef (Tunisia), Caravaca (Spain)
and Hole 761C (Leg 122). Earth and Planetary Science Letters, 107, 715-721.
(this reference also contains a discussion of the Ir anomalies in these
sections).Colodner, D. C., Boyle, E. A., Edmond, J. M. & Thomson, J., 1992.
Post-depositional mobility of platinum, iridium and rhenium in marine
sediments. Nature, 358, 402-404.Sawlowicz, Z., 1993. Iridium and other platinum-group elements as
geochemical markers in sedimentary environments. Palaeogeography,
Palaeoclimatology, Palaeoecology, 104, 253-270.Wang, K., Attrep, M., Jr. & Orth, C. J., 1993. Global iridium anomaly, mass
extinction, and redox change at the Devonian-Carboniferous boundary.
Geology, 21, 1071-1074.Elliot, D. H., Askin, R. A., Kyte, F. T. & Zinsmeister, W. J., 1994.
Iridium and dinocysts at the Cretaceous-Tertiary boundary on Seymour
Island, Antarctica: implications for the K-T event. Geology, 22, 347-355.------------------