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jennacreationist
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Message 30 of 46 (11970)
06-22-2002 8:49 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by quicksink
03-08-2002 11:37 PM


I actually understand your reasonning, but then doesn't your theory leave room for God?
because if "we are evolving into something other than what we are currently" then isn't it feasible to have a being a Creator that is more "evolved" and far more intelligent than those of us who are on earth?
See it is not so far fetched after all.
I don't understand why no one would believe me if I said that my computer came from a matter that randomly and over time created itself and evolved from a tic tac, something that is also inanimate, yet people of such great and wonderfully God given intelligence truly want to believe that any living matter even a microbe came from a non-living non source of nothing to form our beautiful land, seas, skies let alone an actual functionning breathing without thinking human being.
The Bible is full of Science and I know that it can be proven that their is a heavenly Father by using the scientific method.
I am a Biology major by brain and a Christian by heart. They can go hand in hand , not opposing beleifs but one and the same.
Have a great Day~
Jenn~

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jennacreationist
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Message 34 of 46 (12107)
06-24-2002 9:59 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by gene90
06-23-2002 7:24 PM


So Gene we meet again.LOL.
Well I beleive according to the Bible God did make several "trips" to the earth.
According to the Bible He walked in the Garden with Adam and Eve until they faltered, He approached Mosses on the Mountain in the bush, He even wrestled with Isaac and came to eart in the form of a man better known as Jesus. And to top that off their was a man in the Old Teastament who had died and requested of Lazarus to let his family know"there is in fact a God please tell them, appear to them so they might believe " to which the reply was something to the effects of , even if I appear to them and proclaim His glory it still wouldn't be enough.You either beleive or you don't.
How many eyewitnesses do we need?
Be honest, even if God Himself approached you wouldn't you somehow rationalize him away?
After all that's exactly what evolution does.
Rationalize His creation into chemicals and matter "creating itself from nothing to form what we have today~
No one disagrees that matter and atoms do not exist the argument stems from how it got here...
Science and religion are almost one AND the same!(you do have to have faith in evolution don't you?)
That is why I chose Biology as a major. So I could revel in the miracles of life.
That is also why the Bible proclaims "broad is the path to destruction and narrow is the gate to eternal life"
Because you are right we ALL have Free will.
My points don't take away from that.
I'm not trying to "make " you a Christian.
That is not even in my realm of capabilities.
I know that is a Personal choice.
I'm not trying to take away your personal choices.
But why should science discount theories that can't be disproved
and why do I as a "fellow scientific beleiver and enjoyer" have to be discounted in the scientific community because "I'm not an evolutionist"
That is boxing science in and I don't know if you are aware that quite a few respected scientists are in fact Creationists and Christians.
Even the man who made up the genius phylum etc. chart was a Christian...
Don't take this the wrong way because I'm not comming off offended(completely)LOL and my heart is in the right place, it's just you can't disprove Creation, at least not all together and therefore it should be fully looked at and treated with the utmost respect.
Jenn(still)acreationist

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jennacreationist
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Message 37 of 46 (12386)
06-29-2002 5:45 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by gene90
06-28-2002 9:09 PM


ok Gene I will give this my best shot....
I am only guessing mind you but are you a Latter Day Saint (aka) Mormon?
If so you are wrong I know your doctorine very well , some of my good friends are Mormon and I also took some of the classes.
All of that aside, if you are , yes there are certain things I don't agree with, but as far as not beleiving that God doesn't reveal himself today... actually I do beleive that He speaks to people today.
So I guess I'm not as stiff necked as you might think.
Probably if you had an actuall sit down conversation with me in "real" time you would probably be surprised.
But in this type of a back and forth format it's hard for me to always convey everything I would like to say.
It's not like you can inflect your tone of voice through the computer
.
I as a Christian have a personal relationship with God.
I am always looking and searching and questionning.
When I look at the evidence of evolution I just see the evidence different.
And it's not even neccessarily because I am biased by my faith it's because of certain fullfiments that the Big bang and all of the theories used to explain how it all came to be, are not met . For me the answers are not satisfactory . And I am not the only one.
They are such a stretch and no I obviously cannot speak things into existance LOL. But I don't agree with your usage of an egg and seed as comparisons to evolution.
They have the same genetic makeup in the seed and egg stages as they will in their adult stages.
That basis does not change.
That is some of the reason I have a problem with evolution.
Where is the interspecie mating?
Among other things.
Any way Gene just because I may not agree with you doesn't mean I think I'm better in any way...
Just so you know.
Jennacreationist.

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