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Kapyong
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Message 29 of 62 (121778)
07-04-2004 4:11 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Prinny Squad!
03-29-2004 6:16 AM


Greetings Prinny.
"How accurate is the bible? Specifically, how accurate is it in relation to history and archaelogy?"
Firstly,
it may be better to separate the OT and NT for discussion of this issue.
Secondly,
I suggest you do a bit of research before jumping in with such a basic question - smart people like CA will contribute much good stuff IF it looks like you really want to learn AND have tried finding out for yourself also...
The OT -
not very accurate at all.
Adam, Eve, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Joshua, David, Solomon - almost certainly mythical. The United Monarchy almost certainly never existed - NO evidence for Solomon's temple has EVER been found.
From the 8th century or so, some real history enters the Bible.
The NT -
not very accurate.
Obvious myths like the rending of the veil, the darkness at noon, the dead walking, are of course not supported by archeology or history.
The Gospel events in general are not supported by history or archeology, but then perhaps a minimal Jesus did exist but went un-noticed by history.
Check out the historical record around the birth of Christianity, I have a list here giving an overview -
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Kapyong
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Message 33 of 62 (121806)
07-04-2004 7:51 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by almeyda
07-04-2004 7:00 AM


Almeyda argues Little Red Book true ! ;-)
Greetings almeyda,
I see Brian has discussed the OT.
I see you didn't even pretend to have any evidence for the OT myths, you just repeated your myths as if that made them true.
"There are more than 5,300 known Greek manuscripts of the NT. Adding over 10,000 Latin Vulgate and at least 9,300 other early versions we have around 24,000 copies of portions of the NT in existence. "
Firstly - so what?
We have MILLIONS of copies of Chairman Mao's Little Red Book, dating the very YEAR he wrote it - according to your argument, that must make it one of the most true books ever.
Sorry,
the NUMBER of copies of a book says NOTHING about is accuracy, or veracity, at all.
Why do you think it does?
Secondly,
if you are trying to claim the NT is transmitted accurately from the days of Jesus, that too is false -
How many MSS from 1st century? None.
How many MSS from 2nd century? One fragment of a few verses.
How many MSS from 3rd century? A few, only 2 with more than a chapter.
Notably, every single MSS varies from all others (except tiny scraps.)
The NT is neither true, nor textually reliable.
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Kapyong
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Message 34 of 62 (121809)
07-04-2004 8:11 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by almeyda
07-04-2004 7:19 AM


Re: More circular reasoning.
Greetings all,
"hahaha. Well if thats your attitude of history then you will never know what happened. "
Well,
Brian's attitude seems to involve studying the evidence and forming the best conclusion there-from.
Your attitude seems to mean believing what an old book of tales says, ignoring contrary evidence.
"The Bible IS that history of the no-extra biblical accounts. "
Hmm.. its not clear if you understand the issue.
Early Biblical events are NOT found in external records, which DO exist.
What is YOUR explanation for that?
"Barely anything else surived due to the Bible being the only one cherished and accepted widely the most"
Nonsense.
There is a great deal of WRITTEN HISTORICAL evidence, even from 2nd millenium BC (e.g. the Amarna letters.)
This historical evidence does NOT confirm the Bible stories, and is often in direct contadiction (along with the archeological evidence.)
"Why do you think that is?. Because it was some stories some guy wrote?. No definately not. Because they were inspired. And without error."
Hmm..
So, your argument for the Bible being true is to claim "the Bible is inspired and without error".
But you don't seem to realise this is circular reasoning?
Bizarre.
"You people are mighty confused if you believe the Bible is no historically accurate."
You are confused.
You have BELIEF in the Bible.
We form a view based on the historical evidence.
The historical evidence shows that the Bible is largely myth, not history.
"Gods word is the only source of all of history right from the beginning."
I see.
You believe there are no historians? History somehow magically comes from God straight into our history books?
"And no archaeological discovery has ever disproved the Bible as being historical. And frequently approved it. "
Rubbish.
The flood is proven to be not historical.
The tower of Babel is proven to be not historical.
The Exodus is proven to be not historical.
The stories of Moses are proven to be not historical.
The stories of Joshua are proven to be not historical.
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