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PecosGeorge
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Message 1 of 27 (122374)
07-06-2004 11:36 AM


What's right with it?
It came in the e-mail flood. The title states this is worth thinking about. I agree, but not for the suggested purpose.
Worth Thinking About!!!!
After Sept. 11th, one company invited the remaining members of other companies who had been decimated by the attack on the Twin Towers to share their available office space. At a morning meeting, the head of security told stories of why these people were alive...... and all
the stories were just:
The 'L I T T L E' things .
As you might know, the head of the company got in late that day because his son started kindergarten.
Another fellow was alive because it was his turn to bring donuts.
One woman was late because her alarm clock didn't go off in time.
One was late because of being stuck on the NJ Turnpike because of an auto accident.
One of them missed his bus.
One spilled food on her clothes and had to take time to change.
One's car wouldn't start.
One went back to answer the telephone.
One had a child that dawdled and didn't get ready as soon as he should have.
One couldn'tget a taxi.
The one that struck me was the man who put on a new pair of shoes that morning, took the various means to get to work but before he got there, he developed a blister on his foot. He stopped at a drugstore to buy a Band-Aid. That is why he is alive today.
Now when I am stuck in traffic, miss an elevator, turn back to answer a ringing telephone . all the little things that annoy me.
I think to myself, this is exactly where God wants me to be at this very moment.
Next time your morning seems to be going wrong, the children are slow getting dressed, you can't seem to find the car keys, you hit every traffic light, don't get mad or frustrated; God is at work watching over you.
May God continue to bless you with all those annoying little things and may you remember their possible purpose.
Do you believe that God is arbitrary?

"In that day I will also make a covenant for them with the beasts of the field, the birds of the sky and the creeping things of the ground. And I will abolish the bow, the sword and war from the land, and will make them lie down in safety. I will betroth you to Me forever; yes, I will betroth you to Me in righteousness and in justice, in lovingkindness and in compassion, and I will betroth you to Me in faithfulness. Then you will know the LORD."
-the prophet Hosea (8th century B.C.) in Hosea 2:18-20

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PecosGeorge
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Message 6 of 27 (122505)
07-06-2004 9:50 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Coragyps
07-06-2004 5:51 PM


And you
would have spoken the truth.
Imagine it, this is the kind of thing 'good Christian folk' ascribe to the God they love, crediting him with a character they themselves do not possess, and that is letting some children die while letting so very few live.
Small wonder people are turned off God. I would be, too, if he were really like that. And this is probably why you don't believe in a critter called God.

"In that day I will also make a covenant for them with the beasts of the field, the birds of the sky and the creeping things of the ground. And I will abolish the bow, the sword and war from the land, and will make them lie down in safety. I will betroth you to Me forever; yes, I will betroth you to Me in righteousness and in justice, in lovingkindness and in compassion, and I will betroth you to Me in faithfulness. Then you will know the LORD."
-the prophet Hosea (8th century B.C.) in Hosea 2:18-20

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PecosGeorge
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Message 7 of 27 (122506)
07-06-2004 9:53 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by jar
07-06-2004 5:57 PM


Some folks are lucky, altho I hesitate to apply it in this monstrous moment in time. I bet those 'lucky ones' would not describe in those terms. They'd probably say they just don't know why they were spared, and that would make them correct.

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PecosGeorge
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Message 8 of 27 (122507)
07-06-2004 9:55 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by coffee_addict
07-06-2004 7:06 PM


I'm never late, but that does not speak for those many millions who are also never late.
See what I mean?

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PecosGeorge
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Message 10 of 27 (122519)
07-06-2004 10:38 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by arachnophilia
07-06-2004 10:26 PM


Arbitrary?
Are you suggesting that God is?
By further definition:
Unrestrained
Tyranical
Capricious
Despotic
Unreasonable
and so on
In general, providence is provision for all his children, and not an arbitrary few.

"In that day I will also make a covenant for them with the beasts of the field, the birds of the sky and the creeping things of the ground. And I will abolish the bow, the sword and war from the land, and will make them lie down in safety. I will betroth you to Me forever; yes, I will betroth you to Me in righteousness and in justice, in lovingkindness and in compassion, and I will betroth you to Me in faithfulness. Then you will know the LORD."
-the prophet Hosea (8th century B.C.) in Hosea 2:18-20

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PecosGeorge
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Message 13 of 27 (122732)
07-07-2004 2:16 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Amlodhi
07-06-2004 11:36 PM


So Fred
goes to a whorehouse and picks up a case of the clap....providence has placed him there?
Gloria jumps from an airplane and her chute don't open....providence has caused that?
All God's children are in his care and very much so in possession of the ability to make choices. All God's children are exactly where they have determined to be, mostly without a forethought, and that includes being in two very high buildings.
God is not a despot.

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PecosGeorge
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Message 16 of 27 (122830)
07-07-2004 10:20 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Loudmouth
07-07-2004 2:30 PM


Re: Arbitrary?
Gosh that flood comes in handy, doesn't it?
You are not describing an arbitrary God here, but one of judgment. Clearly, he is that after he has weighed things in the balances and found them wanting. As in 'mene, mene, tekel, upharsin', that sort of judging.
Arbitrary is not the same as judging, nor are his judgments arbitrary but convey extreme application ....... and so around.
As for dying in a certain manner.....death is not the natural intent of creation. It is a natural by-product of error.

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PecosGeorge
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Message 17 of 27 (122831)
07-07-2004 10:25 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by bob_gray
07-07-2004 9:26 PM


I'm subject
to the same questions, hurts, wonderings, and even tho I understand how sin has blighted mankind, I still engage in screaming matches with God......I sure would like ..... a little more love in this world.

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PecosGeorge
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Message 21 of 27 (122964)
07-08-2004 11:27 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by Coragyps
07-07-2004 11:24 PM


Death is
not the natural intent of creation, it is natural to error. On the day you eat of this fruit, you will die.

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PecosGeorge
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Message 22 of 27 (122967)
07-08-2004 11:32 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by Amlodhi
07-08-2004 12:09 AM


We choose
where we go and what we do. Sometimes I wish God would apply a physical restraint, a greater deterrent than 'NO'.

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PecosGeorge
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From: Texas
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Message 26 of 27 (123285)
07-09-2004 8:51 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by Amlodhi
07-08-2004 12:22 PM


Re: We choose
Chaos is good. Life is much more interesting with a little chaos in it. Without the effects of sin, the question would be moot, which it is anyways, because that is what explains it or should explain it.
I need no response, thank you. This is going nowhere.

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