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Author Topic:   evidence that intelligent design can't explain
John
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Message 8 of 50 (14030)
07-23-2002 9:29 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by peter borger
07-23-2002 8:19 PM


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Originally posted by peter borger:
If we assume 1% variation per million years (in primates this is reasonable), this implicates that the common ancestor for both human and chimp lived around 10 million years ago.
Isn't this about right? It on the high end of the range, but still just barely in there.
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John
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Message 10 of 50 (14034)
07-23-2002 10:38 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by peter borger
07-23-2002 10:09 PM


[QUOTE]Originally posted by peter borger:
[b]Remember that there was a considerable amount of sailors who survived the long 16th century overseas voyages.[/QUOTE]
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Wasn't scurvey a huge problem though?
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In some human populations, for instance the desert nomads of the Sahara the non-synthesisers are completely removed from the gene pool.
I'm curious. Do you mean that there are nomads with no non-synthesisers? Or that the nomadic populations are cut off from the gene pool?
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John
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Message 12 of 50 (14039)
07-24-2002 12:06 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by peter borger
07-23-2002 11:46 PM


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Originally posted by peter borger:
Dear john,
Indeed scurvy was a huge problem, but not everyone died during these voyages. It is reasonable to assume that the vit c synthesizer (via sponteneous oxydation) were the survivers. Thus, there was selection during these voyages for the intact galactonase enzyme. Similarly, desertnomads all have this intact gene. Do a search on internet and you will find the answer to your questions.
best wishes
Peter

Actually a web search isn't helping, and I am good at finding things online.
Can you provide some links or other info?
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John
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Message 26 of 50 (14354)
07-28-2002 11:55 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by peter borger
07-28-2002 11:43 PM


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Originally posted by peter borger:
Ultimately, we are not able to make judgements. The only thing we can do is to have faith in a paradigm. Whether it should include design and/or a creator or not is up to you.

Interesting Peter B. how deep does this idea run in your thoughts. Are you contending that we can't come to any knowledge at all?
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Message 37 of 50 (15088)
08-09-2002 9:39 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by monkenstick
08-09-2002 7:48 AM


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Originally posted by monkenstick:
if you are going to allow for "unimportant imperfections" what use is ID as a scientific theory?
That's a good point. It makes determining designed from not-designed much more difficult. And casts some question on the 'intelligence' part of the equation.
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if it only describes part of the genome, how are we to distinguish between sequences which are designed and which have evolved?
I really wish someone would answer this question. I have asked several people here to do so, and so far without result.
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