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Angel Inactive Member |
Soul Slay "How do we know what is meatn to be taken literally and what isn't?"
Maybe your confusion on this lies in that which confuses others. Jesus is not God, with this not being the topic, I will not refer to it furthur, for now, but it's important to mention for my explanation. When Jesus speaks, he speaks in parables so that he could accomplish what was to be completed before His execution. When God speaks it is matter of fact. Angel
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Angel Inactive Member |
Hi SoulSlay,
You asked: quote: Can you post some of the scripture that you are asking about? It is unlikely that you will get your answer without us knowing what scripture you are referring to. What may be obvious to others may not be obvious to you, on the same token, what you may see as obvious, may not be obvious to others. Angel
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Angel Inactive Member |
Hi Proboscis
quote:Simple answer, Noone comes to God without going through Jesus, He died for your sins, and now has the authority. It doesn't say no one comes to me but through me. quote:Yes, so they are together as one. Which is the same as saying we are one nation, but millions of seperate individuals. They are united, they stand together, they are one. But still they are two seperate Beings. Angel
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Angel Inactive Member |
Ifen,
quote: No, that is not what that meant, I can't tell if you are asking real questions, or if you are just trying to be obnoxious. Because I made it through college, does that mean that I literally went through the front door and out the back? Angel
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Angel Inactive Member |
quote:To look upon His back would be a blessing, to look upon His face would be death. Angel
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Angel Inactive Member |
quote:You have absolutely NO argument from me on this point! I have a minor in religion, and am well aware of all of these facts. Angel
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Angel Inactive Member |
quote:Because God said that to look upon His face meant death. For me to be able to see His back, would be the greatest gift ever, a blessing, which is an oppinion, IOW you do not have to feel the same, and thats ok. quote:I do not know the color of His hair, nor have I seen His face, if I had, I wouldn't be here typing this now. I gather though that this was meant to be a rhetorical question. quote:Father=male....no, I am a female. Now for another obvious answer....When you look in the mirror, do you see me? No, you don't, does that mean that we do not have the same features aka..eyes, ears, nose, mouth? Another rhetorical question, I assume. Angel
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Angel Inactive Member |
quote:I have knowledge of His appearance, as I have knowledge of yours, I have never seen you, but would naturally assume that you have eyes, ears, etc. Am I correct in assuming this? quote:Well, lets see women were made for man, so yes, I guess we would fall under that catagory. I do not have a problem admitting that my husband has authority in my house. Not that I have no input, but he does and always will have final say. I say this because I get the impression that you feel men and women are equal, and in many ways they are, but in many ways they aren't. Another post at another time though I guess. quote:Have you not read the Old Testament? If you have, do you not recall when God gave Moses a favor? Moses seen His back, but couldn't see His face? Angel
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Angel Inactive Member |
Maybe I should give you some background on myself, I have a Minor in Religion, and I have a PhD in Psychology. I am aware of every mental disorder. Now with that said, I don't recall ever saying that I identify anyone, or any Being, by their body itself. I have answered the question, of what I felt God looked like. Never have I identified anyone as being a simple body.
quote:I am a human being, I have flesh, yes. But personality (a sense of ones self) comes from the brain in the form of an identity. My body is just a body, my soul, is what is important. Angel
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Angel Inactive Member |
quote:Funny you would say that, since I was characterizing you? Doesn't matter, not the point. BTW ostriches have beaks, not mouths. quote:I would assume that He does. Though I really don't see anything from this question, but someone trying to play games, instead of asking real questions for discussion? quote:Great, I am sure the women would have loved to hear my replys (rhetorical). But, anytime, anywhere, I will back that topic up. quote:And again I will answer literal, it doesn't matter how many times you ask me, you are still going to recieve the same response. quote:I am afraid that I am not missing the point of your question, but rather, you do not want to except my answer. Which is fine with me. Again it is LITERAL because of the scriptures in the OT. LITERAL. Angel
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Angel Inactive Member |
Again, and for the last time, I take it literally because that is what is taught in the scriptures. It leaves room for no other conclusion but a literal one (when speaking to Moses). Furthermore, why is this important to you? You obviously don't believe in God, I take that from your rhetorical comments/'questions'. So why is it important for you to know why I believe that man was literally made in Gods own image. The Bible leads to no other conclusion but that it is to be taken literally. You could also argue, I presume, that Jesus was not to be takin literally. The question has been answered, maybe it's not the one that you want, but it has been answered.
Angel
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Angel Inactive Member |
quote:Wooooo, No that is not even close to what I said. I see that you like to take peoples words and make them your own. For starters it i s obvious that you don't. I don't condemn you for it, I was only making a realitistic comment. We really don't want to get on the subject of rudeness now do we? Look back at your 'questions' and see the answer. quote:So, let me see if I am hearing you correctly, because I believe what God said is the truth, I don't believe in him.? That is almost comical. quote:Really, I seem to remember a few rhetorical questions. Again, maybe you should look back at your 'questions'. quote:Yes, I know this. However, when something has been answered over and over again, it gets to the point where you just have to agree to disagree. I have said that it is ok that you don't believe as I do, you on the other hand, want to keep the same question, though already answered, repeating. I will say it again, in case you missed it. IT IS OK FOR YOU NOT TO BELIEVE AS I DO. quote:Who, I might add unlike yourself, admitted that it was an honest question on his/her part stated in a rhetorical manner. quote:Maybe you are not as 'open-minded' as you think. Especially if something like this gets you so wound up. I have no reason to think that He doesn't. I have no proof that He doesn't. Let's turn this around, what proof do you have that He doesn't? And why do you feel that way? Proof, not belief, because obviously you do not accept belief as a ligitamate answer, so show me proof, evidence. quote:Well, yes I have, but for arguments sake, I will explain why again. If God can cover Moses eyes with His hand, and if Moses can physically see His back, and if someone, though they wouldn't live to tell it, can see His face. That has to lead to one conclusion, that He has hands, a back, and a face. How is it that that is so hard to understand? You don't have to agree, but you have to accept that I feel this way, and believe this way. quote:Really? I am glad that you feel that way, and I am looking forward to your response with some facts, not belief, facts to my above question. quote:Again, I answered your question, it just doesn't seem to be the one that suits you. It is meant to be literal, because it is written literally. If you can physically see something, that would make it physical, am I correct, or has there been a new scientific advance that I am not aware of? Since I take it that He has a physical body, because it is written that He does, that makes it literal. Can you honestly not find my answer? It isn't written in a parable, which may be confusing, it is written to be taken literally. Angel
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Angel Inactive Member |
quote:Really? Can you honestly say that you do? If stating something such as that offends you, I see no reason for it. Furthermore, I would like for you to quote where I said that I was right and you were wrong? I am very open minded when it comes to the Bible, so your statement happens to be false. The reason behind me saying that was simple, it was the wording in your rhetorical questions. quote:No, what I see as obnoxious is your continuation of the same exact question, after it has been answered over and over again. Just because you don't agree with me, doesn't make you right. Just because I don't agree with you, doesn't make me right. You asked for an explanation of why I FELT it was literal, and I answered how I FELT it was literal. quote:My 'brand'? No, it's not. No one is perfect, that includes me. Also, even if it doesn't appeal to you, it includes you too. I have learned alot from discussions, and I have taught alot through discussions, if I felt that I was right about everything, well....what is the point in discussing? I, unlike a few others, like to discuss things without carrying it to an argument. ~~~~Good Day~~~~ Angel
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Angel Inactive Member |
quote:In message 21 I said this: quote:then you asked: quote:and I replied: quote: Now I ask you, how doesn't that answer your question? What exactly are you wanting to know? You also asked:quote:This is the list of explanations given to you: quote: Then this is your question again:quote:Messages 32, 40, and 44 should have answered why: quote:This is why, why is it so hard for you to accept my answer, do you have proof otherwise, because as I said before, I would love to see it! quote:Though I agree this isn't much of a discussion, seeing as how I am doing all of the discussing. It's funny that you keep saying that I haven't answered your question, which I have, but when you are asked a question, you ignore it. Why is that? quote:And on this point it may be valid, IF you are then I apologize, however, in the future you should probably refrain from questions such as this if you are.... quote:So, if that isn't a rhetorical question, it sure was posted to sound like one. Angel
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Angel Inactive Member |
quote: No, I am not a Mormon. I do not believe in organized religion period. Jesus was/is not a Mormon, JW, Baptist, Catholic, etc. So why should anyone else? Just a thought. Angel
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