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jar
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Message 9 of 81 (156967)
11-07-2004 2:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by SoulSlay
11-02-2004 1:52 PM


Is there any reason to take any of the Bible literally?
If all of the Bible were but tales told around the campfire, would the message contained and the lessons to be learned be any different?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 29 of 81 (157719)
11-09-2004 4:10 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Angel
11-09-2004 9:47 AM


Simple answer, Noone comes to God without going through Jesus, He died for your sins, and now has the authority.
Well, here's one Christian that says,"Nonsense."
See this thread for my reasoning.
Even the oft quoted passage from John is taken out of context.
When we read the Bible we need to read all of it and not just cherry pick a line here and a line there to meet our preconcieved notions. We need understand that is it a book, written by many authors, each suffering from his own limits, preconceptions, political leanings and hubris. It was later redacted and vetted by other equally fallible humans to serve the needs they saw at a particular moment in history.
The Creedal belief is that the Trinity is one individual consisting of GOD, Christ and the Holy Ghost. Like all religion, it is simply belief. It is not something subject to scientific analysis.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 58 of 81 (158453)
11-11-2004 4:52 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by Proboscis
11-11-2004 11:17 AM


No reasons to believe Genesis.
Well, this is probably a mistake but as a Christian, here is how I see it. I see absolutely nothing in Genesis or Exodus to be taken literally. Period. Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Zip. Zero.
1. God created everything. He made everything perfect, but mankind messed it up by disobeying God. That is literal.
GOD changed the state of the Primordial Egg some tens of Billions of years ago. He determined the rules and forces that would govern the universe including the physical laws, evolution and natural selection. Everything we see today evolved from that initial action.
There was never a Garden of Eden, an Adam and Eve, or the Fall.
2. There WAS a world-wide flood. Evidence actually helps support this, both historically and scientifically. (That is, as long as you don't close your ears to hear any of it and dismiss it as fairy tale lol) If you need me to do so, I will get all my sources of information back out and prensent my case, but this isn't the right thread.
There was never a world wide flood or Noah, no ark, no animals two by two or seven by seven.
3. God is perfect.
GOD is complete.
4. There was NO death before the fall. Eden was paradise, it was perfect. When Adam and Eve ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil, they introduced death into a perfect world and thus we have to deal with it today.
Since there was never a Garden of Eden or Fall, the issue is moot. But even if you accepted the description of Eden it would not have been perfect and there would have been death. Least that is what Genesis says.
5. Satan is out to deceive you and make you fall by twisting an distorting words that God said. He is also a master of diguise who can take different forms.
Yup. He can be seen in the guise of Jerry Falwell, Oral Roberts, Jimmy Swaggart, Jim Bakker, Kent Hovind, Gene Scott, ...
6. God cares for us and set up his plan for our redemption so we could spend eternity with him and now ALL YOU HAVE TO DO is accept his gift! Seems to good to be true doesn't it?? He pays for us and we get to spend eternity in Heaven! WELL it is true.
Yup. Christ died for all, atheist and theist, Christian and Jew, Hindu and Muslem, those who profess the beliefs and those who deny them. All he asks is that you Love others as you love yourself.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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