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Topic: Why Doesn't God Explain In Person?
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tsig
Member (Idle past 2939 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: 04-09-2004
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Message 55 of 86 (162843)
11-24-2004 5:21 AM
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Reply to: Message 27 by jar
11-18-2004 12:36 PM
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Re: Here I go again, humor an old man please.
So regardless of which religion someone is born into, isn't it helpful if at least initially there is some moral training? What if the the morals of the religion required killing?
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tsig
Member (Idle past 2939 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: 04-09-2004
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Message 56 of 86 (162848)
11-24-2004 5:40 AM
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Reply to: Message 54 by jar
11-23-2004 2:30 PM
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Re: Here I go again, humor an old man please.
I agree. Morals are a human invention and will always be influenced by the culture. IMHO the big message from the Genesis tales is that we have a Knowledge of Good and Evil, that that is both a gift and charge from GOD. Are morals a human invention or of god, seems a clear contradiction. Presumption being that if one knowes good and evil then morals will follow.
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tsig
Member (Idle past 2939 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: 04-09-2004
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Message 70 of 86 (163460)
11-27-2004 9:37 AM
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Reply to: Message 58 by jar
11-24-2004 9:29 AM
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Re: Here I go again, humor an old man please.
Morals most certainly are a human invention. The story of the Garden of Eden is simply saying that. It's saying, "You know what's right and wrong." That is the gift and charge from GOD. He's telling folk that they are capable and should know the difference and choose the better path. But how did we come to know the difference??
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tsig
Member (Idle past 2939 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: 04-09-2004
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Message 73 of 86 (163463)
11-27-2004 9:44 AM
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Reply to: Message 66 by jar
11-27-2004 9:13 AM
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Re: Here I go again, humor an old man please.
Now if I also get a benefit when doing something good for you, does that diminish the value of what you recieved? No, but it does change your motivation. You act in the hope of a reward.
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tsig
Member (Idle past 2939 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: 04-09-2004
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Message 74 of 86 (163464)
11-27-2004 9:48 AM
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Reply to: Message 72 by jar
11-27-2004 9:41 AM
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Re: Here I go again, humor an old man please.
I think in general the way we learn morals is through empathy. So morals are the result of us being social animals? corrected spelling This message has been edited by Flying Hawk, 11-27-2004 09:50 AM
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tsig
Member (Idle past 2939 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: 04-09-2004
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Message 77 of 86 (163470)
11-27-2004 10:14 AM
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Reply to: Message 75 by jar
11-27-2004 9:52 AM
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back to topic
The absense of evidence is evidence of absence. That's why no invisible creature will show up and tell you what is right and wrong.
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tsig
Member (Idle past 2939 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: 04-09-2004
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Message 79 of 86 (163472)
11-27-2004 10:27 AM
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Reply to: Message 76 by jar
11-27-2004 9:57 AM
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Re: Here I go again, humor an old man please.
As I have said before, even in this very thread I believe, IMHO there are four characteristics to human intellect that are unique to humans and that is the extent, intent, scope and empathy. I believe that those are both a gift and charge from GOD. There is nothing unique to humans. We are all in this together. Caring for your own is just genetics in action.
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tsig
Member (Idle past 2939 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: 04-09-2004
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Message 80 of 86 (163474)
11-27-2004 10:45 AM
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Reply to: Message 75 by jar
11-27-2004 9:52 AM
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Re: Getting pretty far off topic
If you have kids, you will understand that there is NO joy greater than what you get from wathching your kids at Christmas or a birthday. They get presents but you get something far greater in the sheer joy of seeing them have fun. My kid is 30 years old. All animals love thier young.
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