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johnfolton 
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Message 199 of 260 (179681)
01-22-2005 2:58 PM
Reply to: Message 196 by JonF
01-22-2005 9:26 AM


Walts Theory is Awesome!
JonF, Your missing the obvious, the Hydroplate Theory has the waters erupting out of the seams of the Mid-Ocean Ridges. The Heat was escaping as super sonic steam laterally upwards, and this was the force that what was driving the plates on the cushion of steamed waters. This is why he calls it the HydroPlate theory, because rock would be separate from the basalt layer below the the steamed water that was erupting.
The hot water was continually erupting the heated waters above the earth's atmosphere. So No, it would not be frying the inhabitants in the ark. But likely coming back as snow, rain and ice. The heat would of been dissipated into outer space, as each water molecule heat was sucked out by the cold vacuum of space within and above the erupting fountains of the deep. The bible says he opened the "windows of heaven" so the atmosphere being rolled back (the cold temperatures of the vacuums of space was what the water were erupting within). The intensity of the steam erupting laterally upwards and outwards is what was causing it to recondense and fall back over the entire earth as rain ice, snow and water. This is how the glaciers formed within those 40 days suddenly.
The amount of water given up from under the earth caused the oceans floor to settle to accomodate up to 1/2 mile, this settling also caused an initial rising of the mid-ocean ridges, and as the tecktonic plates separated from the continents formed the trenches as these fractured rocks were sucked inward as the steamed waters recondensed and the mid-ocean ridges rose, causing the trenches to form. (much like an empty mountain dew bottle collapses in a refrigerator.
This extra space under the oceans floor from all the waters that had vacated, allowed the steamed waters under the mantle to recondense back into super pressurized water slowly and as smooth as moving a refrigerator on a pad of compressed air.
Noah had fresh water to drink, cause rain could only come back to the earth as fresh water.
The Ark was never toasted because the erupting waters only erupted upwards, and according to Walt as this granite mantle eroded away, exposing the softer more malleable basalt layer below. The mid-ocean ridges rose upwards and are rising to this day. You can see the plates floating outward in Greenland, as the earth seeks to equalize itself in all the divers places.

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johnfolton 
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Message 203 of 260 (179723)
01-22-2005 5:11 PM
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01-22-2005 3:25 PM


Re: Walts Theory is Awesome!
DrJones,
Your wording is weird but you seem to be saying that the plumes of steam started at the ocean floor and ended outside the Earth's atmosphere, is this a correct interpretation?
No, I consider it ended above the earths atmosphere and recondensated downward thru the atmosphere. Were talking hundreds of miles to disperse to cool before recondensating. It won't get hotter raining down from hundreds of miles above the earth, because its pressing into the rain below. The air does not get hotter, because the heat has been dispersed out of the steam, blasting out above the earths atmosphere the heat collides with the cold. Then water, snow, ice forms to rain down thru the atmosphere with all the waters raining down. This is how the glaciers formed suddenly.

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Message 207 of 260 (179730)
01-22-2005 5:39 PM
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01-22-2005 5:31 PM


Re: Walts Theory is Awesome!
DrJones, I see the waters erupting upward would of rolled back the oceans. Therefore not much of the ocean would of been heated as the supersonic steam erupts upward laterally. JonF is saying the water would be returning so fast without any atmosphere would become super heated. If the waters welled upwards above the atmosphere it would be raining downward thru the welled up waters. I agree though that the steam allowed the waters to well upwards as it cooled.

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Message 209 of 260 (179736)
01-22-2005 6:00 PM


I've got things to do, appreciate your spin, part of me want to continue to spin on your spin, but that would only support your need to spin, so I'm just going to spin on out of here. My significant other does not believe I'll actually spin on out of here. Got to prove her wrong.
Tom

  
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Message 210 of 260 (179738)
01-22-2005 6:08 PM
Reply to: Message 208 by DrJones*
01-22-2005 5:55 PM


Re: Walts Theory is Awesome!
DrJones, One last spin, the bible says the atmosphere was rolled back, it says the windows of heaven were opened. Given the atmosphere is rolled back there wouldn't be any atmosphere to be heated on its way up.
even with the fictional rolling back of the oceans the steam would still have to pass through the atmosphere on its way up. The atmosphere wuld still be heated by the steam on the way up.
Rain can only fall so fast in the atmosphere. I took it that JonF is saying rain fell out of orbit it would pick up such speed that when it hit the atmosphere it would generate heat. Were talking about water just welled up above the atmosphere, don't see this as a problem.
This kinetic energy is then converted into heat (due to air friction) as the water passes through the atmosphere and it is also converted into heat once the water impacts the earth.
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Message 213 of 260 (179742)
01-22-2005 6:21 PM
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01-22-2005 6:13 PM


Re: Walts Theory is Awesome!
DrJones, Got to spin on out of here, the window of heaven (atmosphere) was opened by the super steamed water pressing it aside.
Noah had greater air pressure with all air being displaced and all this water pressing downward on the atmosphere.
Take Care
Tom

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Message 218 of 260 (179753)
01-22-2005 6:35 PM
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01-22-2005 6:24 PM


Re: Walts Theory is Awesome!
DrJones, It would only be heating the fringes of the ocean and the atmosphere. The increase in air pressure was likely not all that great cause this outpouring happened over 40 days/nights. It likely just made breathing easier within the ark. You have so many questions, perhaps you should just read Walts book.

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Message 221 of 260 (179760)
01-22-2005 6:45 PM
Reply to: Message 217 by JonF
01-22-2005 6:34 PM


Re: Walts Theory is Awesome!
JonF, If it rolled back the atmosphere, Ocean it would be ever so gentle, well at least after perhaps one initial gigantic tsunami. That why Noah built his ark away from the Oceans. They mocked Noah cause he was building an oceanliner perhaps hundreds or thousands of miles from the ocean.
P.S. I know your going to disagree, and you have every right to disagree. I'm now going to let you have the last word. I agree that we disagree.

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Message 244 of 260 (179983)
01-23-2005 4:40 PM
Reply to: Message 237 by Percy
01-23-2005 11:15 AM


Re: Walts Theory is Awesome!
Percy, I think WmScott and other will beable to work out the bugs that you believe exists within Walts theory.
The waters erupting was not like a hurricane capable of moving powered by the sun, and having lateral winds. Its position was fixed over 46,000 mile extention of the atlantic mid ridges where two steam streams were erupting laterally and combining upwards. I suspect WmScott is correct it steamed upward being wicked upward into the vacuums of space. Then welling above the atmosphere disappating its heat, and coming back to earth with a vengeance (super downdrafts)shielding (insulating) the earth from being overheated.
This would also keep the steam from forming a separate steam bubble to explode, lots of vortexes and things inside where WmScott believes a steam bubble could of formed. There would of been a whole lot of mixing of this residual steam that didn't initially wick upward with the super cooler downdrafts.
These super high speed downdraft straight line winds would of continually been pressing down on the oceans causing the oceans to press backwards ever so gently away from the erupting waters. Its these super cooled (cooled by space) forming the straight line winds that protected the atmosphere that had been rolled back by the steam from being overheated.
I have not read Walts book so I might be misrepresenting Walt. I liked WmScott mentioning steam welling up higher. If Walt doesn't support Steam welling upward, then perhaps Walts theory needs a bit of fine tuning.
I don't understand how steam could form a bubble if its welling upward. It would be no different than a humid front welling upward and the cooler air welling downward.
We'll I thought I'd thank you for the compliment but will likely only be a lurker. I'll now let everyone have the opportunity to have the last word, explaining how super straight line winds wouldn't form from all the superheated waters rising upwards.
Take Care,
Tom

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