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Coragyps Member (Idle past 765 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
14: Rock ice will found to be salty.
"Rock ice" being, perhaps, like Greenland ice core ice? Or some rap/rock crossover act? I have falsifying data on the former, and no data on the latter.
15: Bubbles in rock ice will be found to contain less air and much more carbon dioxide than normal.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 765 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Now, how is it, if we take all this water-ICE that would be in a ring, and drop some of it on earth, it is necessarily hot?
Since it will land at about 18,000 miles per hour, yes, it will be hot. Remember the Space Shuttle? And even if it weren't heated to vapor by atmospheric drag, what do you think would happen to a bullet made of ice when it hits something at five miles per second? Don't make me do the calculation. You don't want to see it, Cosmo. Walt is either loony, or he's trying to con the people that slept through physical science class in the ninth grade.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 765 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Hail coming down will achieve that much of a greater speed. I heard that super cold downdrafts, but never heard that they were going 18,000 miles per hour. Duh.From what altitude do hailstones fall? At what altitude would be the lowest stable orbit for Walt's silly-assed orbiting hail-ring? How much air is there at these altitudes? How fast was the Columbia coming down?
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 765 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
This is the best stuff on here since ...... I don't even know what!!
The waters would be prevented from leaving because of the gravitation of the earth (not enough escape velocity)
But there was enough velocity to launch the freakin' asteroid belt, and to somehow promote most all of it to orbits out past Mars...but not water.
thus separating the heat as the steamed waters condensed.
With the Acme Gravitational Entropy Reversal Unit and Heat Separator, no doubt.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 765 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Coragyps, hmmm....Did Walt actually say that.
The last time I looked at his online book he did. And no, asteroids have very little chemical similarity to Earth's crust. Walt Brown, I tell you again, is eithe a loon or a charlatan trying to see how much he can con people like you and Cosmo who slept through science class. If the latter, he's doing a pretty decent job. P.T. Barnum would have complimented him, and then bought him out for a new sideshow.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 765 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
North and South appears the magnetic field entering the earth at increasing intensities the closer to true north or south, but having a hard time understanding what that has to do with east west.
It's because the magnetic poles aren't at the true (spin} poles of the Earth. A compass points due north in Kentucky, but 8 degrees off in Oklahoma at the same latitude. Look up "compass" in your Funk & Wagnalls'. It has more than one meaning, Tom.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 765 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Sort of an average temperature gradient used in the oil industry is 15 degrees F for every 1000 feet of depth - 10 miles + a 60-degree surface temperature then gets you about 855 degrees. That's well above the critical temperature for water. Gradients vary depending on where you live - 9 to 24 degrees per thousand feet just in Texas - but 15 is a pretty good average figure.
Oh - and if Walt had cool water down there, why is there no temperature anomaly now? It's only been a few thousand years, and basalt isn't a real good conductor of heat. This message has been edited by Coragyps, 01-21-2005 18:01 AM
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 765 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Are we depending on indirect evidence here, or have we gone down 10 miles in a real good cross section of the planet
Yeah, indirect evidence, mostly. There are several thousand oil and gas wells that go 4 miles down, and at least a few hundred that are beyond 5 miles. The Kola experimental well, AFAIK, is the only one that reached 7 miles. Invariably, in any one well, it gets hotter as you get deeper - 15 degrees F per thousand feet, roughly. That figure depends on where you are. And drillers are very cautious about getting accurate bottomhole temperatures, because they have to cement the pipe into the wells. If their measured temperature is too much lower than actual, the cement can set too soon. This can ruin a $20,000,000 well. The investors get upset over such things. An extrapolation of those numbers has you over 800 degrees F at 10 miles deep. If you want to propose a reservoir of bathtub temperature water at that depth to make Walt's supergeysers more friendly to Noah's little boat, go right ahead. It would be no more bizarre or evidence-free than some of the other stuff you and he have proposed. But if you do, be sure and include a mechanism to heat rocks down to the deepest we've drilled yet, and then cool them from that point to Walt's mile-thick magically-supported cavern. And then heat them again to provide magma for volcanos. Why do I waste time on these absurdities? Is it just the entertainment? This message has been edited by Coragyps, 01-21-2005 19:47 AM
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 765 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
The heat would of been dissipated into outer space, as each water molecule heat was sucked out by the cold vacuum of space within and above the erupting fountains of the deep.
I missed or slept through that day in Physical Chemistry class where ol' Blyholder explained how vacuum sucks heat out of molecules. I can't find it in the textbook, either. Would you explain it a little for me, Tom?
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 765 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
If what you're proposing here is representative of the material in the book then its obbviously garbage not worth my time or money.
No money, at least, 'cause it's online:In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood - The Hydroplate Theory: An Overview And it's not all that big a waste of time. It's not as funny as The Onion, but way funnier than, say, Rush Limbaugh.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 765 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
And, WMS, I take it you're still awaiting a reply?
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 765 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
No ice will ever be formed as water ice is not possible in a vacuum at any size greater than a single H2O molecule.
Uhhhh...wrong. Space has lots and lots of ice - comets, Pluto, grains in interstellar clouds. Just get things cold enough and ice will be the stable form of water. Liquid water, now, is another story. You can make it freeze just by pulling a vacuum on it.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 765 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
In Walt's web-book somewhere, he mentions 1300 degrees F as a likely temperature for his "caverns" of water. It's in the section on launching asteroids and comets.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 765 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Ever tried actually doing that?
Yup. A little beaker of water in a bell jar, and a vacuum pump, and you can even show something approaching the triple point of water - ice, liquid, and vapor all coexisting.
It clearly shows that water can normally only exist in the vapor phase in a total vacuum.
The same applies for platinum or quartz - they have non-zero vapor pressures, too, at any temperature above absolute zero. But "non-zero" doesn't mean it's very big, or that you can transfer a big bunch of solid to vapor in the lifetime of the solar system at the temperatures that prevail out by Pluto.
As for Pluto, it is mostly made up of frozen Nitrogen, Carbon monoxide and some methane. There is no water ice there.
From my ancient Lang's handbook of chemical data, we find the following temperatures to get a vapor pressure on 1.0 mm Hg:water -17 degrees C nitrogen -226 C carbon monoxide -222 C methane -206 C The lowest temperature the give for water is -98 C, and its vapor pressure there is 0.000015 mm Hg - and this is still over 100 C hotter than the other substances that are "stable" on Pluto. Water may be more unstable than the others to photolytic decomposition, but it would be much, much less prone to sublime than those three substances.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 765 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
PY - your refrigeration thought is dead on the money, and yes, the ice will all sublime if you keep pumping.
My handbook doesn't have vapor pressures for those other substances below 1 mm Hg, or I would have used them. I think that I remember that vacuums inside the solar system are on the order of the best we can get here on the ground.
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