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Message 7 of 69 (181981)
01-31-2005 2:19 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by coffee_addict
01-30-2005 11:02 PM


Phelps does Christianity WRONG!
I had heard of Fred Phelps, but I never knew how much of a devil he was until I read his webpage. Even if he was right, nobody would want to be in a heaven that included the likes of him....he is a publicity hound that uses the name of god to bellow his own self righteous egotistical corruptions of scripture for his own benefit!
Jacen and everyone else...please don't associate Christianity with this man or any of his church!

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Phat
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Message 16 of 69 (182217)
02-01-2005 5:37 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by Mammuthus
02-01-2005 4:33 AM


Re: Phelps does Christianity WRONG!
You guys really need to get out more!
If I were to say that Crashfrog represents the atheist community, I would be saying something that I had never really examined. While we cannot judge the Christian community publically, we CAN listen to what they have to say publically. For those of you who have hi speed internet computers and can listen to audio, I invite you to compare and contrast Fred Phelps and his blathering rhetoric to three other Christian pastors. If you can honestly tell me that they are in any way alike, I will be forced to examine your argument. Otherwise, you have asserted something entirely baseless.
Phelps: Attention Required! | Cloudflare I do NOT endorse him.
Three other Christian Pastors whom I would listen to, by the way:
http://www.calvarygs.org/radio/2005.htm A man by the name of Raul Ries. Very loving.
Listen to Dr. Michael Youssef Sermons - Leading The Way Radio Michael Yousef. A very loving Pastor.
Listen to Alistair Begg Sermons - Truth For Life Radio Alister Begg, another good teacher.

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Phat
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Message 18 of 69 (182227)
02-01-2005 6:05 AM
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02-01-2005 5:53 AM


Re: Phelps does Christianity WRONG!
Mammuthus writes:
I don't think it is we who need to get out more...you need to look around (even on this board) at what other Xians are actually saying and proposing.
OK...you have a point. Christians ARE to be rightly judged by what they hold to as the source of morality, which is the Bible. There is a difference.
Mammuthus writes:
It is the absence of a belief in god/gods/pink unicorns. It is not a system of beliefs with a codified doctrine or dogma.
Translate: It is the absence of a belief in an absolute standard. It is a relativistic belief system. I can only lump all relativists together in that they have internalized their own definition of their own mountaintop. They have defined the standard---themselves!
I DO get out and I hear the public voices of a couple of thousand Christians ---which of that thousand, perhaps as few as one hundred actually seem helpful. It is one thing to tell people what to do. It is quite another to live such that they actually mimic you.
The standard is not flawed, in my opinion. I can hear a thousand intellectuals free from religion and draw a thousand different conclusions---all of them inconclusive.
why can't one judge the Xian community publicly? Has freedom of thought and speech already been eradicated in the US?
It is like judging Iraq publically.
(which has been done, by the way) Not every citizen is anti U.S., pro Muslim, pro Saddam, or in any way alike except by living in Iraq.
By contrast, all Christians (by name) do not live "In Christ".
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Message 28 of 69 (182379)
02-01-2005 4:26 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by jar
02-01-2005 12:34 PM


Re: Condeming!
jar writes:
The big question is "Why is there such a large audience for such juvenile and anti-social behavior?"
Here is what the Bible says:
NIV writes:
2 Tim 4:1-5=I give you this charge: 2 Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage-with great patience and careful instruction. 3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. 5 But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry.
Based on this scripture, what do we define as "sound doctorine"?
Certainly, name it and claim it theology which suggests that sowing seed into the travelling tent huckster will bring YOU a hundredfold return on your investment is not sound. Everyone knows, however, that those who cheerfully give more of themselves than they take will come out ahead one way or another.
So...quite seriously, does God hate "fags"?
My absolute answer is that God hates sin. Sin, by definition, is anything that we do in and of our own self will that does not glorify God. So is watching football a sin? Ask yourself:
1) Do I neglect my family in favor of football.
2) Do I spend a large portion of my day thinking about football, talking about football, and by example teaching my kids about the importance of this passion? If so, and IF I believe that my purpose in life is to shine as an example to my fellow humans, am I living up to the standard?
Does God hate penthouse? Does God hate Sports Illustrated? Does God hate cellphones?
This can go on and on....lets flip it. What does God love?

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Phat
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Message 47 of 69 (182743)
02-03-2005 2:38 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by Quetzal
02-01-2005 4:58 PM


A Beer or three
Quetzal writes:
I'd love to have a good conversation over a beer or three on the subject with someone who's knowledgeable.
Well, we are in a Coffee House...can we order beer in here?
Too much coffee makes me tweak!

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