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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Sorry, but I am not the one pretending to be a scientist with a published paper in a peer reviewed journal.
Nor do I need to be to point out that this particular "journal" is of less than stellar quality by it's own admission. How would mentioning any real paper in any substantial journal change that fact? Especially in a different field altogether? The logic of this comment of your is false from the beginning of a gleam of a premise. LOL. Try again. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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lyndonashmore Inactive Member |
Hi NosyNed,
I'm waiting to answer your questions, Which option do you fancy then? I will answer it (not for long though itlate and work in the morning). Cheers. Lyndon Lyndon Ashmore - bringing cosmology back down to Earth!
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lyndonashmore Inactive Member |
Hi Eta_Corinae,
If you don't explain what you mean by a "thrmalised spectrum" how can I answer it? I don't believe this exists. Cheers lyndon Lyndon Ashmore - bringing cosmology back down to Earth!
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lyndonashmore Inactive Member |
Ah! so you haven't got one then.
say no more. Cheers Lyndon Lyndon Ashmore - bringing cosmology back down to Earth!
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Gosh, lyndon, it was from your link ...
Message 69Hi Percy, Sorry about that, Try this I just read the whole pdf article instead of just the abstract:http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/astro-ph/pdf/0105/0105073.pdf An interesting article indeed. The biggest problem with your model from my viewpoint is that it relies on energy being sucked out of things and not going anywhere. You need a constant noticeable net loss of energy to make it work, and this is not matched to the real world experience of experimental evidence. Enjoy. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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lyndonashmore Inactive Member |
Hi unpublished RAZD (apart from Births,deaths and marriages in the local rag)
This post doesnot make sense. quote:are you going to enlighten us with your words of wisdom? Cheers Lyndon Lyndon Ashmore - bringing cosmology back down to Earth!
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Eta_Carinae Member (Idle past 4405 days) Posts: 547 From: US Joined: |
The CMB spectrum is pretty much a perfect black body(=thermalised).
Your mechanism needs to produce such a spectrum which requires a source in thermal equilibrium to produce it hence the term thermalised. One of the weaknesses of Steady State was the fact that it argued the CMB was reprocessed starlight BUT you need a mechanism to take starlight and out of this produce a perfect blackbody 2.73K spectrum. This could only be done by them hypothesising whiskers of iron to do this despite not having a source for these iron whiskers. You similarly require a way of producing such a spectrum. NOT only that you need it to be local in origin. This means you need a sufficient amount of whatever material is effecting the photons to cause this. WHERE IS THIS MATERIAL? You don't have the density of anything to cause this, be it other material or your IG plasma. The amounts required to cause the thermal 2.73K spectrum are RULED OUT observationally. This message has been edited by Admin_Eta, 03-19-2005 02:20 PM
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
ah, so you admit that you are not a real scientist, and have to use such a slack journal to prop up your position with pseudoqualifications for your pseudoscience and to give you an aura to justify your condescending attitude of others critical of your "work"
fascinating. tell me again: how would a paper on, say, the microbiological implications of waste milk products on the ecosystem of a rural stream have any -- any -- relevance to this discussion? LOL. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hi irrelevant, arrogant and erroneous Lyndon, the problem is not in my understanding.
we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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Eta_Carinae Member (Idle past 4405 days) Posts: 547 From: US Joined: |
ANSWER WHY YOUR EQUIVALENCE IS NOT BULLSHIT SUE TO LENGTH UNIT CHOICE!!!
This is much more important than arguing Hawkins paper. ARE YOU A CRANK??????? It seems very likely. You obviously have not thought through the physics of your mechanism, the observational consequences of this, you don't understand relativity very well based upon a post much earlier in this thread either. BUT THIS IS ALL MOOT since your entire bullshit is PREDICATED upon the "ASHMORE PARADOX" which is a numerological piece of crap. *** PLEASE TELL ME HOW IN THE HELL YOU TAKE THE COINCIDENCE AS ANYTHING SERIOUS WHEN IT REQUIRES THE LENGTH UNIT TO BE A SPECIFIC i.e. THE METRE???????????????????? This is STUPID!!! ***
Reduce number of consecutive exclamation marks and asterisks to obtain normal page widths. --Admin This message has been edited by Admin, 03-19-2005 02:25 PM
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lyndonashmore Inactive Member |
Tut Tut unpublished RAZD (apart from hatches, matches and dispatches that is ),
If I have offended you then I apologise profusely. Now how about getting back to some Physics and Tired Light? Cheers Lyndon PS What is the name of your local rag? Lyndon Ashmore - bringing cosmology back down to Earth!
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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
RAZD, Eta, remain calm. There is no need to let someone so silly get your goat. Simple state the issues and ask for rational replies back. The longer a question is avoided the more amusing it becomes.
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Percy Member Posts: 22508 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
lyndonashmore writes: Try thisThe point is that BB'ers claim that supernovae light curves show direct evidence of expansion. Surprisingly enough even up to 2000 There was no direct evidence to show that the universe was expanding. They decided that supernovae with high redshifts would, according to their theory, be travelling at speeds approaching the speed of light and thus should show relativistic effects ie Time dilation. They claimed to have found it, but the evidence was hardly convincing. The paper you cited, Time Dilation and Quasar Variability by M. R. S. Hawkins, has a different assessment of the supernova data:
The results so far published are very convincing, and strongly imply that time dilation has been observed. Moving on:
So Hawkins et al decided to look at quasars. Some of these varied in brightness in a regular pattern and these had redshifts of over three. Without relativity that would be three times the speed of light so here was a great test of time dilation. It should be staring them in the face. It wasn't. There was no time dilation at all. The universe is not therefore expanding. The paper has a somewhat different assessment in the conclusion:
The arguments resting on an expanding Universe and cosmological distances for quasars seem beyond challenge. If you want people to trust your arguments, then the references you cite should actually say what you claim they say. The paper also offers a possible explanation for the apparent absence of quasar time dilation:
Apart from the statistical evidence from quasar light curves (Hawkins 1996), microlensing has been unambiguously shown to take place in gravitationally lensed quasar systems (Pelt et al. 1998), and dominates at long timescales. If this were a general phenomenon in quasars at cosmological distances then the apparent absence of a time dilation effect in quasar light curves would be explained. If my accounting is correct, then this is the list of issues that still remain for you to address:
--Percy
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3976 Joined: |
Need the topic be closed, or bulk suspensions passed out?
BTW, message 97 should have been from the non-admin mode. I know, the admin mode is Eta's default ID (it happens to me also), but he should go back and edit the ID to the non-admin mode (as I sometime have to do). Any responses to this message should go to the "General discussion of moderation procedures" topic, link below. Adminnemooseus New Members should start HERE to get an understanding of what makes great posts.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
agreed. a fool shows he is a fool by how he argues.
we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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