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I wish I had some junk to experiment with because my brain is not the physical world.What may work according to my reasoning may not necessarily work in the real world so I need some stuff to experiment with. Sp Check by PBThis message has been edited by AdminPhat, 03-19-2005 11:11 PM

My dad wasn't a scientist either but was a skeptic about a lot of things. He usually could not be convinced of something until he had proven it to himself. Bless his heart.I remember one time he got the notion that perpetual motion could work. Despite my attempts to explain to him otherwise, he had to see for himself. He actually assembled the pieces you describe and built a loop that he thought would work.I helped him build it and it was a loads of fun.

Now you are talking!Some of the greatest inventions in the world were by people who got a few things together and started "tinkering"

The question is why do you even think it is useful to consider?Even considering that a perpetual motion device could be set up, any attempt to use it to power anything would remove energy from the system and it would have to run out and stop.There are no devices that do not lose energy to friction in one way or another, and end up generating waste heat in the process.Meanwhile there are many sources and means to capture free energy from wind and tide and sun and even the heat of the earth, so all one needs to do is have a device that wastes less energy than it captures from some external source.Take Coragyps' CO₂ lakes for example: rather than waste that energy in a fountain, power a generator with a turbine, and as long as the rate of using the CO₂ to lift water through the system matches the natural rate of injection of CO₂ into the deep lake a free source of energy could be realized. You could even use the shut off valve to only allow flow when you wanted to use the energy. (from link provided by Coragyps)Notice that this fountain will also result in some "air conditioning" of the area ...Greenland also uses the heat of volcanic areas to generate free electricity.Efficient use of energy is much more practical than trying to invent something that is necessarily impractical.If you are really interested, then study to become a mechanical engineer -- that is in essence what the {job\profession} is about (and no, I am not one).

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well. you could conceivably use bernoulli. but you'd have to be a blowhard. but there's a few people on this board you could enlist for that.

And much more often all they did was waste time and money. Tinkering is much more effective when it has some understanding of what is being tinkered with.Perhaps some examples would help make your point?

Ok, consider two ways to think about tinkering IMHO.First, there is a great benefit to exploring or tinkering with something to learn how and why it works for no good reason other than to satisfy one’s curiosity. The joy of discovery. The other is with a purpose as you suggest. Here’s an example, the Velcro story. Now, what the story doesn’t say is that there was quite a bit of tinkering before Mestral finally hit upon the right combination of materials that would best simulate the clinging capability of the seed pod burrs.Mestral’s eureka moment, his joy of discovery, occured in 1948 yet the design wasn’t patented until 1955. That’s 7 years difference, 7 years of trial and error, 7 years of tinkering.Creating hooks by sewing nylon under an infrared light doesn’t seem to be an intuitive solution.However, Mestral had a huge advantage that most inventors do not. He had already witnessed his concept work via the seed pod burrs. There was nothing to prove to himself or to anyone else. He knew it was only a matter of time before the right materials and the right process was found to create velcro. The Velcro CompanyThis message has been edited by MyMonkey, 03-19-2005 11:46 PM

Here is my idea using an idea I had in January 2005
I have got a new idea for an invention. It is a cyclical gravity greenhouse liquid capillary action energy generator. What does your company think of the idea. . The idea is that the device uses the same ammount of liquid over and over again due to evaporaton, condensation and capillary acton to generate electricity. It works like an oil wick using water excpet the energy is genearted as the vapour turns to liquid, and rops through turbines.
The device consists of a liquid chamber, an evaporation chamber, capillary action sheets, condensation collectors, turbines, and liquid.
The capillary acton sheets draw liquid up from the liquid chamber into the evaporation chamber at normal temperatures. then the tip of the capillary action sheets in the evaporation chamber are heated to a temperature where they will evaporate the liquid. As liquid evaporates from the sheets, The capillary actiopn sheets draw more liquid from the liquid cham,ber to replace the liquid lost. The liquid is draw natrually upwards. When the liquid evaporates from the capillary action sheets it enters the evaporation cvhamber. The evaporation chamber is of normal tempertures. It is not the evaporation chamber thet causes evaporation, it is the capillary action sheets. The evaporation chamber is of low temperatures to encourage condensation. Only The capillary actiopn sheets need to be heated. Then teh condensatyion falls into condensation collectors, and is used to power turbines before falling back into the liquid chamber. So the same liquid is recycled.
This is a new invention. Just becayse it uses capillary action that does not make it the same as a solar sill, or paper.
They key is capillary action lifting liquid up for free.
The only heating required is on the ti

And when you run your heat balance calculations you will find that you need to add more energy to heat the "ti" (SIC) (tip?) than can be generated from the turbines.However, you can use solar energy to do the heating, it just means that it isn't perpetual motion.

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I'm a little confused because you said no pumps or motors, but then you mentioned siphons which actually require a "pump" of some kind to initiate the action.You may find this interesting if you like a sort of perpetual system. The dutch are considering building an energy plant, which works by using windmills (the modern kind) to siphon/pump water from a lower area to a higher area, and then let the water fall back to generate energy. And of course the windmills may also generate power while they are pumping.The cheat of course is that it is not a closed system and is using solar energy to drive it (via the winds that energy creates). But to humans it is pretty close.

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holmes
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You need to be little smarter for dividing the water level heights & keeping it unbalanced.contact me on mkatwe@gmail.com.
May be I can provide you more details.