Are Animals Sinful?

you stated "The Marmot cannot understand these guidelines, the analyzing of it's actions would not apply."I can't understand these guidelines either, therefore they must not apply to me either.
for more on why I can't understand these guidelines look no further than the preachings of Grorge CarlinGEORGE CARLIN ON THE 10 COMMANDMENTS
from "Complaints and Grievances" (HBO special)Here is my problem with the ten commandments- why exactly are there 10?You simply do not need ten. The list of ten commandments was artificially and deliberately inflated to get it up to ten. Here's what happened:About 5,000 years ago a bunch of religious and political hustlers got together to try to figure out how to control people and keep them in line. They knew people were basically stupid and would believe anything they were told, so they announced that God had given them some commandments, up on a mountain, when no one was around.Well let me ask you this- when they were making this shit up, why did they pick 10? Why not 9 or 11? I'll tell you why- because 10 sound official. Ten sounds important! Ten is the basis for the decimal system, it's a decade, it's a psychologically satisfying number (the top ten, the ten most wanted, the ten best dressed). So having ten commandments was really a marketing decision! It is clearly a bullshit list. It's a political document artificially inflated to sell better. I will now show you how you can reduce the number of commandments and come up with a list that's a little more workable and logical. I am going to use the Roman Catholic version because those were the ones I was taught as a little boy.Let's start with the first three:I AM THE LORD THY GOD THOU SHALT NOT HAVE STRANGE GODS BEFORE METHOU SHALT NOT TAKE THE NAME OF THE LORD THY GOD IN VAINTHOU SHALT KEEP HOLY THE SABBATHRight off the bat the first three are pure bullshit. Sabbath day? Lord's name? strange gods? Spooky language! Designed to scare and control primitive people. In no way does superstitious nonsense like this apply to the lives of intelligent civilized humans in the 21st century. So now we're down to 7. Next:HONOR THY FATHER AND MOTHERObedience, respect for authority. Just another name for controlling people. The truth is that obedience and respect shouldn't be automatic. They should be earned and based on the parent's performance. Some parents deserve respect, but most of them don't, period. You're down to six.Now in the interest of logic, something religion is very uncomfortable with, we're going to jump around the list a little bit.THOU SHALT NOT STEALTHOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESSStealing and lying. Well actually, these two both prohibit the same kind of behavior- dishonesty. So you don't really need two you combine them and call the commandment "thou shalt not be dishonest". And suddenly you're down to 5.And as long as we're combining I have two others that belong together:THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTRYTHOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOR'S WIFEOnce again, these two prohibit the same type of behavior. In this case it is marital infidelity. The difference is- coveting takes place in the mind. But I don't think you should outlaw fantasizing about someone else's wife because what is a guy gonna think about when he's waxing his carrot? But, marital infidelity is a good idea so we're gonna keep this one and call it "thou shalt not be unfaithful". And suddenly we're down to four.But when you think about it, honesty and infidelity are really part of the same overall value so, in truth, you could combine the two honesty commandments with the two fidelity commandments and give them simpler language, positive language instead of negative language and call the whole thing "thou shalt always be honest and faithful" and we're down to 3.THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOR"S GOODSThis one is just plain fuckin' stupid. Coveting your neighbor's goods is what keeps the economy going! Your neighbor gets a vibrator that plays "o come o ye faithful", and you want one too! Coveting creates jobs, so leave it alone. You throw out coveting and you're down to 2 now- the big honesty and fidelity commandment and the one we haven't talked about yet:THOU SHALT NOT KILLMurder. But when you think about it, religion has never really had a big problem with murder. More people have been killed in the name of god than for any other reason. All you have to do is look at Northern Ireland, Cashmire, the Inquisition, the Crusades, and the World Trade Center to see how seriously the religious folks take thou shalt not kill. The more devout they are, the more they see murder as being negotiable. It depends on who's doin the killin' and who's gettin' killed. So, with all of this in mind, I give you my revised list of the two commandments:Thou shalt always be honest and faithful to the provider of thy nookie.&Thou shalt try real hard not to kill anyone, unless of course they pray to a different invisible man than you.Two is all you need; Moses could have carried them down the hill in his fuckin' pocket. I wouldn't mind those folks in Alabama posting them on the courthouse wall, as long as they provided one additional commandment:Thou shalt keep thy religion to thyself.

I posted that earlier because I was leaving for work and wanted to get that into the conversation before 5 pages had past.comedy has the unique power to say what people are thinking without caring who it offends, and at the same time point out obvious fallacies in what was previously untouchable doctrine.
the ten commandments are one such doctrine, and now that George has opened the door to criticize them I’m going to do just that.lets look at 3 commandments from the catholic bibleSixth Commandment
Thou shalt not commit adultery.Ninth Commandment
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife.Tenth Commandment
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's goods.If you look at it something about that ninth one may not seem right. To me it seems like it could have been left out completely even without adding the words or wife onto # 10, there is a reason for this
the Ninth Commandment
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife.
ONLY EXISTS AS A STANDALONE COMMANDMENT IN THE CATHOLIC BIBLE!(and Lutheren as they did not realize the discrepany untill several decades after leaving the RC church)The Hebrew version of the Tenth Commandment
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house; thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass(I think there’s your proof that god says no gay marriage right there ), nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.BAM! the Hebrew version, and also the protestant version, does combine them, the reasons the catholics separated it into two because they needed to keep 10 commandments and they DELETED one..the Hebrew version of the Second Commandment.Thou shalt have no other gods before Me.
(Absorbed into the catholic 1st commandment)
Thou shalt not make unto thee a graven image, nor any manner of likeness, of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;
Thou shalt not bow down unto them, nor serve them; for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate Me;
And showing mercy unto the thousandth generation of them that love Me and keep My commandments.One of the main reasons (if not THE main reason) this commandment was done away with was that hurt the profitability of Catholicism as it did not allow the worship and adoration of saints, or the sale of any holy relics such as the crucifix, which only became known in the late 6th centaury. The abolishment of the second commandment is one of the reasons the Catholic Church was the strongest economic and political power in Europe throughout the middle ages, and they gained this power by altering and interpreting the bible as they saw fit, and by preventing the populous from reading and interpreting the bible for themselves.Historically, Religion has been a tool of the powerful to control the weak, even if Christianity did start out with the purest of intentions every aspect of it has been led by the powerful to control the minds of its followers, for when the mind is controlled the body will follow.Man controls the definition of sin, and it changes to suit the desires of those who have the power to define it in the name of god you can object to this as much as you want by saying the bible is the direct word of god, but being that it was written by the hands of man, copied by the hands of man, and controlled by man, you should realize that you are reading an edited, if not made up version.

Just a minor correction you’re mixing up George Carlin and I’m assuming Charlie Chaplin by saying George Caplan.Here’s something else that I find funny
lets take the whole of you msg 13 and change a few words.Who's Jesus? (is he the public speaker that everyone i know tells me is "the answer"?)Why should his opinion matter?Why does it matter more than what you think? And where are your thoughts on moral responsibility(? Or do you completely agree with him, because... He's "Jesus."I also would like some real evidence linking the Jesus to God. As you, or Jesus says, by the end of the post I was't sure.(Your post was meant to be discrediting, and it was... sort of, but it's just ignorance and the attempt to get answers from some less than well thought out commentary on
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"More people have been killed for the sake of other men then of claims to be of God, and to have him at your back."I’m not entirely sure what you mean by that, but I'm guessing your saying the imperfections of man is the reasons for most killing, not religion. But George Carlin was not saying man is perfect what he is saying is that religion is used as a tool and excuse for one group of people to kill another group of people. Lets look at some events in which this is true, If you want specific details on any of these ask and I'll back them up, but doing so for all of them would just be impractical.first the 5 GC listed
Northern Ireland
Cashmire
the Inquisition
the Crusades
the World Trade Centerand now for some more
Operation Iraqi freedom
the war in Afghanistan
WW2
The hundred years war
the French civil war
Waco Texas
Columbine
the school shootings at red lake
The Oklahoma city bombing
The torture and burning of William Tyndale(first person to translate the bible to English)
Salem witch trails (anyone convicted of being a witch for that matter)
The conquer and following rape of Latin America.
Bosnia-Herzegovina: 1992-1995
Pol Pot in Cambodia: 1975-1979
Nazi Holocaust: 1938-1945
Armenians in Turkey: 1915-1918
Most crimes committed by the KKK
Any war fought by the Romans
Any war fought by the Greeks
Any war fought by the Egyptians
Any war fought against the American IndiansAny war, any genocide, and any murder committed by a religious person, has at some level been verified, and even encouraged by religion. So as George Carlin was sayingThe more devout they are, the more they see murder as being negotiable. It depends on who's doin the killin' and who's gettin' killed