Are Animals Sinful?

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This leads me to my main point: Given that it breaks nearly one third of the ten commandments, is the behaviour of the alpine marmot sinful?

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Well, I don't think that so much focus on the seemingly sinful nature of animals in nature matters. Animals are insignificant in the realm of sin, morals, and breaking "human" standards of what sin is, does not mean anything within this world.It's ridiculous to view animals in this way, they are apart from our standards of ethically sound living. If one were to look at the bible as truth, as I do, It becomes easy to understand that the ten commandments are irrelavent in this situation. They were written as a code for humans.The Marmot cannot understand these guidelines, the analyzing of it's actions would not apply. The marmot's purpose is put into the spotlight, it seems to be about survival, in facing the conditions of nature, rather than the thought that goes into something spiritual as the ten commandments are.The marmots lifestyle may be helpful to human's living, and may help researching for scientific purposes. Other than that, the marmot knows not of humans, evil, and what should or should not be done. The marmot cannot be saved, it is a creature of nature. This is where we, as humans are set apart. The marmot has purpose in survival, and in the marmot hapiness most likely does not exist.Although I would like to put in a quote from a famous philosopher, Voltaire. It goes against my philosophy on the matter, but is equally inspiring and actually an amazing testimony to the love that exists in his soul, and his doubts on immortality. It may not be as relevant as I thought, but it is still a very nice quote.

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Why do mankind flatter themselves and that they alone are gifted with a spiritual and immortal principle?... Perhaps from their inordinate vanity. I am persuaded that if a peacock could speak he would boast of his soul, and would affirm that it inhabited his magnificent tail.

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It is noted that Voltaire later changed his mind on the matter.ugh, on to the homework.This message has been edited by prophex, 04-04-2005 07:26 PM

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Is this how Christians calculate the "value" of animals? Or is there anything more to animal life? Lots of animals are not helpful to human's living (though they are all probably useful for scientific purposes).

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I guess you would have to ask all the Christians in the world.That's how I decided to proceed.

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We are not a part of nature? Can you provide a biblical reference for this view? Or is it your personal heresy? Are humans unnatural, or are we natural and the rest of the living world unnatural? Or are all living beings natural? Or are all living beings supernatural? What do you mean by "set apart"?

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Woah.
Of course we are part of nature, not fully but physically. Spiritually, and mentally we are seperate, would you disagree? (By the way, I have already been here, lets get to the morals animals have to follow if possible, and why.)

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Can you provide a biblical reference for this view? Or is it your personal heresy?

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I believe that the bible is truth, including Genesis.

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What do you mean by "set apart"?

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Humans are above and beyond the animal kingdom, Christianity is something a marmot simply cannot be a part of.

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Thankyou for the Voltaire quote, I think it is highly relevant. Do you think Voltaire was wrong when he said that? More importantly, can you tell me when he changed his mind?

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I have no date, but here are some excerpts detailing it in- "The Story of Philosphy" - Will Durant.

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If God did not exist it would be necessary to invent him.

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-Voltaire.He later wrote an article, aptly titled, "Theist" proclaiming his stance. Very long excerpt, here's a sentence,

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To do good is in his worship, to submit to God, is his creed.

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Of course it is out of the full context, but you can probably find it online somewhere for free.To get back on the OP, Do you think that animals sin?

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If animals don't sin, why are they being punished along with mankind?

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The lives of "animals" are trivial. Besides scientific research. Focus on humanity.

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Who's George Caplan? (is he the comedian that everyone i know tells me is funny?)Why should his opinion matter?Why does it matter more than what you think? And where are your thoughts on the ten commandments? Or do you completely agree with him, because... He's "George Caplan."I also would like some evidence linking the ten commandments to politicians/politics. As you, or George say, by the end of the post I was't sure.(Your post was meant to be funny, and it was... sort of, but it's just stupidity and the attempt to get laughs off of some less than well thought out commentary on the TC's.}This message has been edited by prophex, 04-05-2005 11:21 PM

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Murder. But when you think about it, religion has never really had a big problem with murder. More people have been killed in the name of god than for any other reason. All you have to do is look at Northern Ireland, Cashmire, the Inquisition, the Crusades, and the World Trade Center to see how seriously the religious folks take thou shalt not kill. The more devout they are, the more they see murder as being negotiable. It depends on who's doin the killin' and who's gettin' killed. So, with all of this in mind, I give you my revised list of the two commandments:

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Man is imperfect, man sins. More people have been killed for the sake of other men then of claims to be of God, and to have him at your back.Check out one of George's commandments, thou shall not kill I suppose. If this is of God, as Moses believed, and as do I, then it seems to contradict your view on God's love of murder.

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This topic is old... Go to the conservative topic for this.

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After God gives His Ten Commandments, He orders humans to enact genocide on His behalf.

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Understanding God is impossible.Cite a reference, to get this thing going.By the way, been in school/SAT course/track/basketball, no time to respond really, I would understand if you didn't bother.

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An obvious ad hominem.

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Did you read his post?I think I was typing to George Carlin, oh and by the way, I was so tired I mistyped George "Caplan", didn't feel like fixing it.Troy, would you like to join the discussion? If so, please contribute.

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You're not making any sense...This isn't time to joke around, that is all you have brought to this discussion, jokes. lol

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You are parroting a comedian, get some new material.

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Historically, Religion has been a tool of the powerful to control the weak, even if Christianity did start out with the purest of intentions every aspect of it has been led by the powerful to control the minds of its followers, for when the mind is controlled the body will follow.

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Eggactly, pure intentions, but humanity becomes corrupt, power corrupts, you know the story.Isolating those who have some sort of religion is ridiculous. Every aspect of any group pretty much has put out propaganda.

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