Hi Percy,
I dimly remember, & I stand to be corrected, that there were written Roman & Jewish records of Jesus' "troublemaking", & eventual crucifixion (sp?).
It has never really bothered me whether he did or didn't exist, I am more interested in the evidence that shows who he says he is, of which there is none. I really conceded the point to force Hanno to provide positive corobborative evidence of the apostles existence. My argument isn't that the apostles existed, or not, but what evidence Hanno thinks is acceptable in support of their existence.
A self evident bible is just as "true" as a self evident Koran.
Mark
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Occam's razor is not for shaving with.