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Hangdawg13
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Message 22 of 38 (197298)
04-06-2005 4:35 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by mick
04-04-2005 7:49 PM


You're dadgum right Marmots are sinful! I've been in the mountains before and the marmots tried to steal my hiking pole, food, my friend's cap, socks, and shoes. ...So in my eyes they are evil mischievous little critters.
If sin is defined as that which is against the Lord's good and pleasing will, then I would say animals can be sinful. However, one animal committing "adultery" with another is not violating a trust or a love, and is likely not harming the spouse, so it is likely not immoral for the marmot. Furthermore; the 10 commandments were not given to marmots.
So some actions in animals that bear resemblance to sinful actions in humans may not be sinful, while some may be.
However, to be responsible for sin one has to understand it. A young child is not responsible for his sin, but rather his parents are responsible. Similarly, if a man raises pitbulls to attack people, the pitbulls are not responsible for their sin, but the man who is fully conscious of the nature of the act is responsible.
Animals under the care of good masters are a piece of the paradise that we believe God intends. In nature, cats and dogs fight all the time, yet my family used to own a cat and dog who, under the relative paradise provided by our care, would cuddle together.
According to Genesis, it is God's will for the earth to be a paradise free of suffering, and according to the Prophets and Revelation, it eventually will be: the lion will lay down with the lamb.
If humans really did evolve from animals, then perhaps the story of adam and eve eating the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is an accurate description of humans becoming conscious enough of right and wrong to bear full responsibility for their actions.

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Hangdawg13
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Message 27 of 38 (197702)
04-08-2005 3:40 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by LinearAq
04-07-2005 4:33 PM


Re: Responsibility
However, to be responsible for sin one has to understand it
You have Biblical confirmation of that?
John 9:41 Jesus said to the Pharisees, "If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains."
It would seem to allow all people into heaven and we really don't need Jesus then.
Incorrect.
As long as I don't understand that Jesus is needed to get to heaven then I'm ok.
In the end you may go to heaven, you may not... I cannot say, but the end is now. And right now you definately need Jesus to have life and live it to the fullest. If you never had the opportunity to hear of Jesus, God may have grace on you in the afterlife, but this life is just as important as the next.
A young child is not responsible for his sin, but rather his parents are responsible.
Again....in scripture somewhere?
Mat 18:6 "If anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him if a large millstone were hung around his neck and he were drowned at the bottom of the sea.
Mat 18:7 How terrible it will be for the world because it causes people to sin! Temptations to sin are bound to happen, but how terrible it will be for that person who causes someone to sin!
How does this stack up with "For all have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God" and Jesus' words "No one comes to the Father except by me".
How does it not? Jesus died once for the sins of ALL. Jesus has the power to forgive sins. If anyone comes to the father it is because Jesus forgives them and Jesus has unlimited power to forgive.
There is sufficient reason from scripture (David's kid that died, and Jesus saying, "The kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these," etc.) to believe that God has mercy on children who have not had the opportunity to believe.
We are all sinful. None of us can deserve life. But God wants to give us all life. The way I understand it, the only people that will assuredly not recieve it are those who always reject the Giver of Life.

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Hangdawg13
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Message 29 of 38 (197718)
04-08-2005 5:16 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by jar
04-08-2005 4:34 PM


Re: Responsibility
Are you a Christian? If not, then you don't need Jesus to get to heaven.
I know this is getting off topic, but I want to make a distinction here. You still need Jesus to get to heaven. If you've never heard of Jesus and you end up in heaven, Jesus is still the one that put you there.

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