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Monk Member (Idle past 3953 days) Posts: 782 From: Kansas, USA Joined: |
So we go from Al’s recorded transcript on CNN where he states I took the initiative in creating the Internet. To your interpretation ..the Internet would not exist as we know it today were it not for Al Gore.
The internet would not exist as we know it today without a great multitude of people. Not the least of which the American tax payer via R&D research grants to the private sector. As I posted in God Bless John Paul II thread: Al Gore was not yet in Congress in 1969 when ARPANET was started or in 1974 when the term Internet first came into use. Gore was elected to Congress in 1976. You can mince words as much as you like, but those are the facts. I found humor in his CNN interview with Blitzer because of the facts listed above and the incongruity of Al's straight faced delivery. This message has been edited by Monk, Sun, 04-03-2005 09:12 PM My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind. ---Albert Einstein
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Monk Member (Idle past 3953 days) Posts: 782 From: Kansas, USA Joined: |
Rrhain writes: But Gore didn't say what you seem to think he was trying to say. He said something very different. Instead, he said that through his work in Congress, he took the initiative in doing what Senators do that would result in the transformation of the ARPANet into what we now know as the Internet. You know its funny. When believers are accused of interpretating the Bible rather than defending direct quotes, they are lambasted for twisting its meaning to suite their particular needs. But it seems ok for atheist, such as yourself, to do it outside of the Bible. But I must thank you Rrhain for the joy and laughter you bring to me with your Al Gore post. As I have said previously, keep saying to yourself what sounds good in your mind, avoid the facts, and it will sound better each time. Ok let’s try another chant; Al won in 2000, Al won in 2000.... keep saying that and maybe the results will change. My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind. ---Albert Einstein
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Monk Member (Idle past 3953 days) Posts: 782 From: Kansas, USA Joined: |
True, I should have linked to my thread number 15 in God Bless John Paul II, but the UBB code on how to do that escapes me at the moment.
Anyway, in that thread I referenced the CNN interview where Al says that he took the initiative in creating the internet. There was a reference in that thread regarding Al saying he invented the internet which Rrhain correctly noted he did not say. I simply added the reference as to what Al actually did say. As I noted in that thread, I saw the interview myself and thought it was humorous in light of the facts. Al Gore was not yet in Congress in 1969 when ARPANET was started or in 1974 when the term Internet first came into use. Gore was elected to Congress in 1976. So when Al says: I took the initiative in creating the internet, it sounds bombastic. Since then, Rrhain has made it his cause to interpret what Al did or did not intend when he said those words. I believe contracycle summed it up best when he said:
quote: That’s how it struck me when I saw the interview. My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind. ---Albert Einstein
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Monk Member (Idle past 3953 days) Posts: 782 From: Kansas, USA Joined: |
The thread I was referring to was Here beginning at Rrhains message 11
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Monk Member (Idle past 3953 days) Posts: 782 From: Kansas, USA Joined: |
Problem? I don't see a problem
My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind. ---Albert Einstein
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Monk Member (Idle past 3953 days) Posts: 782 From: Kansas, USA Joined: |
Irrelevant. Depending on which ideology you support, the Norc data can show Gore won or it can show Bush won.
It carries as much weight as the "Rrhain Report"
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Monk Member (Idle past 3953 days) Posts: 782 From: Kansas, USA Joined: |
trae writes: What was immediately clear was that the vast bulk of media wasn’t interested in understanding what he meant or even exploring what the actual claim might be. In the conversations that have occurred, seems one topic isn’t really being discussed. What is the INTERNET. Until you define it, how can you decide anything? Actually, what should be clear is that politicians exaggerate, mince words, and spout gaffes. They ALL do it. The difference is that when it is done by a candidate that supports your particular ideology, it must be defended and placed in the context of a larger meaning. But when it is the opposition’s candidate then it is easier (and more fun) to ridicule.
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Monk Member (Idle past 3953 days) Posts: 782 From: Kansas, USA Joined: |
Rrhain writes: Incorrect. You obviously didn't read the NORC report. It says that by every single standard that could be used to recount the entire vote, Gore won. No, you are wrong and you stubbornly refuse to let this go. As I said previously, the NORC report assembled the data and various new organizations interpreted that data. NORC did not. Troy posted a CNN link with the following headline. Florida recount study: Bush still wins Here is the full story, again Link I assume you don’t believe CNN to be a right wing neo con organization do you? The CNN article further states:
quote: The NORC report was instructive but not definitive, hence irrelevant in determining a winner. This is one story by CNN who used the NORC data. You can find accounts by other news organizations that declare Gore the winner, it all depends on how the results are interpreted. And that includes your own subjective interpretation for the Rrhain Report. If you visit the NORC website you will find the following stated goal under General Project Info
quote: NORC’s stated goal was to assess the reliability of the ballot systems, not declare a winner. Get it?
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Monk Member (Idle past 3953 days) Posts: 782 From: Kansas, USA Joined: |
We? who are you speaking for and what is your point?
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Monk Member (Idle past 3953 days) Posts: 782 From: Kansas, USA Joined: |
Rrhain writes: Did you read the link? It doesn't say what you think it said. Yes, the headline ran that. The story inside contradicts that headline Here are a few quotes from the story. The only contradiction is in your head.
quote: quote: quote: quote:
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Monk Member (Idle past 3953 days) Posts: 782 From: Kansas, USA Joined: |
crashfrog writes: That CNN is, in fact, a right-leaning propaganda outfit. I mean, why would we consider it otherwise? Ok, that's your opinion. I would say CNN is more middle of the road. This message has been edited by Monk, Sun, 04-10-2005 07:57 AM
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Monk Member (Idle past 3953 days) Posts: 782 From: Kansas, USA Joined: |
In that particular message, I was talking about politicians
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Monk Member (Idle past 3953 days) Posts: 782 From: Kansas, USA Joined: |
quote: I don't believe that. And FAIR does have a political bias, they lean to the left. Just as AIM (Accuracy in Media) leans to the right.
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Monk Member (Idle past 3953 days) Posts: 782 From: Kansas, USA Joined: |
schrafinator writes: Uh, why not? Upon what evidence do you base this belief? Care to explain? My opinion is based on my years of observations of the media you have listed. Based on this I believe that CNN is still neutral as far as political bias. They have an equal share of both conservative and liberal journalist and that's why I consider them to be middle of the road. I can provide articles as evidence showing CNN to be a left leaning organization and I'm sure you can find other evidence showing CNN's so called move to the right. But what will that accomplish? Political bias in the media is relative to the competition. CNN is to the left of Fox but to the right of Democracy Now.
schrafinator writes: What on that page I linked you to is incorrect or inaccurate regarding CNN? Give me examples. I didn't say it was incorrect or inaccurate.
schrafinator writes: Just because a media watchdog group may lean left or right doesn't mean it is partisan. It seems you are using a definition for partisan that is different from mine. Leaning with a left or right bias is the meaning of partisan.
schrafinator writes: What is your evidence that F.A.I.R. is inaccurate or misleading? I didn't say F.A.I.R. is inaccurate or misleading, only biased.
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Monk Member (Idle past 3953 days) Posts: 782 From: Kansas, USA Joined: |
quote: It is to me
quote: That’s true
quote: My opinion was offered because that’s what was asked.
quote: That’s true. I suppose I would be more willing to debate and provide facts and data in support of my opinion if the topic were less subjective. But political bias in the media is in the eye of the beholder.
quote: Hmmm... That’s a lot of time intensive research. You should initiate this research yourself to prove your assertion that CNN has moved to the right. Yes, I know, you provided one story about the former head of CNN, Walter Isaakson, who had one meeting with republican lawmakers 4 years ago. Since then Isaakson has left CNN and been replaced with Jim Walton. Do you suggest that CNN is still leaning to the right based on this one meeting by a former CNN chief. Doesn’t the new head of CNN news steer the ship his own way? Walton is cognizant of the rise of Fox News and their increasing market share and has an uphill challenge. His approach seems to be to reaffirm CNN as an international organization.
quote: You said:
quote: I only saw the Isaakson article in this thread.
quote: It’s past history, 4 years old. Times change, Isaakson isn’t there any more I said:
quote: Your response:
quote: As I said, it’s roughly the same thing. Here is the dictionary.com version Devoted to or biased in support of a party, group, or cause: partisan politics.
quote: I wouldn’t describe one obsolete 4 year old article as convincing.
quote: Well, to begin with media bias can be more that just presenting inaccuracies. I think Wikepedia does a good job of explaining the various forms. But if you must have some examples of CNN liberal bias then go to Media Research and search for "CNN bias". Also, here is an article from AIM, a conservative media watch group, discussing the general and persistent trend of left bias in the media.
quote: I suppose you don’t need to believe my opinion. There are many media watchdog organizations and each one invariably has an ax to grind. Wikepedia again does a good job in my opinion of describing bias and in particular labels FAIR as a liberal site whose purpose is to expose conservative bias. Here are a few other links from Wikepedia. Each site contains many articles supporting their left or right point of view.
Media Research Center (conservative site which claims to expose liberal bias)
Fairpress.org - Citizens Coalition for Responsible Media (conservative site which claims to expose liberal bias)
Pew Research Center For the People and the Press (non-partisan organization which studies attitudes towards the press)
Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (liberal site which claims to expose conservative bias)
Media Matters for America (liberal site which claims to expose conservative bias)
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