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contracycle Inactive Member |
quote: ... which is totally trivial. In the first place, it was happening anyway - the internet structures such as .com and .edu indicated that the net had already expanded to commercial and educational institutions. Admittedly it had done so as a branch of its military role, but the whole design of the internet made it useful for all sorts of things.
quote: Nonsense. If anyone is to take credit for the net "as we know it today", it is Sir Timothy Berners-Lee, who invented hypertext, or HTTP, at CERN. Thus, 99% of what is actually *experienced* on the web "as we know it today" is directly traceable to Berners-Lee, not Gore. The need for a packet-switching network was established by experiment in 1965 by Lawrence Roberts, and this technology was included in the plan for ARPANET drawn up in '67. And ALL of the internet is implicit in packet-switching. It is misleading to describe Kahn and Cirf as inventors of "the networking protocol", because there are many such protocols. Specifically the developed the packet-switching concept to full TCP/IP as we have it today. But this most certainly does not give themcredibility to ascribe this to Gore. Gore can be given credit for recognising the potential of the internet, although in this he was unusual only among politicians. Everyone in the industry knew that it was going to break, and it duly did. Gor is a bit part player, IMO.
quote: It makes plenty of sense - becuase Gore was, at the most charitable, foolish to have used the word "invent". He claimed creation, but what he gave was belated support. This claim has rightly damaged Gore's credibility, because it looks far more like bombast than that he knows what he is talking about. If I claimed to INVENT the telephone, you would expect me to have invented the telephone, rather than to have merely said it was a good thing.
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contracycle Inactive Member |
He's still a lame-ass carpetbagger taking credit for other peoples work.
I don;t recall the then-president taking credit for atomic power. I don;t recall the then-president taking credit for the telephone, or the light bulb, or whatever. Mostly, politicians have allowed the actual inventors to take the credit, and made some genuflection to the national spirit of ingenuity and natural creativity of the [insert state] people.
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contracycle Inactive Member |
quote: Watch closely and I'll say it again: it was totally trivial.
quote: None of which Al Gore had anything to do with, as far as I am aware. Are you swityching from saying that Gore recognised the civil, to recognising the military, virtues of the net?
quote: Many protocols, only one INTERNET.
quote: They had allocated IP ranges from the earliest days, becuase the system was connected to university campuses and defence contravtors. The upper level domain system, and the DNS name lookup system, were introduced later as cosmetic improvements - but that does not change the underlying technology.
quote: I've been on the net since it was all FTP and Telnet, thanks. I'm well aware of what hypertext is. But I generously assumed that hypertext might be what you were referring to, becuase otherwise pretty much everything was done when packet switching was developed. 99% of what people EXPERIENCE is http.
quote: In the same way that designing the Ford Mondeo os not "inventing the car", it is designing A car. TCP/IP (Transport Control Protocol/Internet Protocol) is not the only packet-switching protocol, merely the best/maximally efficient.
quote: Duh, I didn't suggest they said that at all. Please read more closely.
quote: And why on earth would you expect the media to know what they were looking at? They merely record and regurgitate; in fact getting a response in two days is pretty quick, seeing as that arose from the public. He was a laughing stock before the media reflected that response.
quote: Did I, or did you? GORE: "Well, I will -- I'll be offering my vision when my campaign begins, and it'll be comprehensive and sweeping, and I hope that it'll be compelling enough to draw people toward it. I feel that it will be. But it will emerge from my dialogue with the American people. I've traveled to every part of this country during the last six years. During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. " The U. S. Government
quote: And what does it do, and why would a packet switching network care? I can find:
quote: What does that mean exactly? And how does this initiative in 1991 have anything to do with a technology, packet switching, which essentially IS the internet and was operational from the mid 60's? It remains nonsense I'm afraid:
quote: Al Gore claimed responsibility for creation of the Internet-Truth! - Truth or Fiction?
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contracycle Inactive Member |
quote: Yes, they do. Admittedly they might be more exercised about it if the cvlaim were less ludicrous, but it would be safe to say that Gores stock fell dramatically in the industry as a result of this claim.
quote: And what exactly did the government do? Build routers? Lay cable? As far as I am aware that was done under the auspices of DARPA, long before Gore was involved, and subsequent developement by private business.
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contracycle Inactive Member |
quote: The question is, who is manipulating the public record? "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system." http://www.cnn.com/...sident.2000/transcript.gore/index.html He quite clearly claims creation - and mainfestly doesn;t understand what he is talking about:
quote: -- So yes, is it not scary that a public figure who has committed such an egregious and bombastic error in public can, purely through the respect accorded their "position", have partisans out and about offering their apologia?
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contracycle Inactive Member |
quote: Well, I'm in the "clear cut" camp. To me, the claim was so patently absurd I really cannot explain why he made it. I can only assume that he was relying on his audience not knowing what he was talking about, and therefore expecting not to be contradicted. As for this article, yes I think its entirely possible that this is essentially partisan politics. My challenge to Cirf and the defenders of Gore is to lay out exactly what contributions he is supposed to have made. They refer to these "initiatives" but of what do the "initiatives" consist? As mentioned previously, as far as I am aware the infratstructure spending was done under the auspices of the Department of Defence alone. I mean, in what way does a technical invention need "promoting"? An actually useful technology does not need to be promoted, merely rolled out. This reeks of political doublespeak and IMO undermines Cirfs argument; if the only role they can credit Al Gore with having actually done is to express approval, then his critics are quite right to laugh at him and his claims. All Cirf and Khan have to say about these "initiatives" is that they were local talking shops within the US government about joined up departments... but how on earth does that parochial exercise have to do with the WORLD wide web, as it is now? The whole thing is absurd.
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