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nator
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Message 44 of 58 (198263)
04-11-2005 11:01 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by Monk
04-10-2005 9:56 AM


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I would say CNN is more middle of the road.
CNN used to be pretty middle of the road-leaning, but they have seen the success of Fox News in creating "brand loyalty" and have been moving rightward, along with MSNBC, and the rest of the mainstream news networks for a while now.
This link is to the non-partisan media watchdog group Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting's page on CNN/Time Warner.
In particular, check out this article from 2001 entitled New CNN Chief Trying to Please GOP Elite.
In particular

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nator
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Message 49 of 58 (198401)
04-11-2005 9:08 PM
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04-11-2005 1:06 PM


CNN used to be pretty middle of the road-leaning, but they have seen the success of Fox News in creating "brand loyalty" and have been moving rightward, along with MSNBC, and the rest of the mainstream news networks for a while now.
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I don't believe that.
Uh, why not?
Upon what evidence do you base this belief?
Care to explain?
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And FAIR does have a political bias, they lean to the left. Just as AIM (Accuracy in Media) leans to the right.
What on that page I linked you to is incorrect or inaccurate regarding CNN? Give me examples.
Come on, support your assertions.
Just because a media watchdog group may lean left or right doesn't mean it is partisan.
What is your evidence that F.A.I.R. is inaccurate or misleading?

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nator
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From: Ann Arbor
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Message 54 of 58 (198523)
04-12-2005 9:14 AM
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04-12-2005 2:13 AM


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My opinion is based on my years of observations of the media you have listed.
Well, that's not really much, is it?
It's many people's opinion that Fox News is "Fair and Balanced", too.
What I was actually looking for is perhaps some kind of objectively gathered data, rather than just your opinion.
If all we ever did on this board was trade opinions, rather than require and provide facts and data, then what would be the point?
"It's my opinion that evolution doesn't happen, Frank."
"Well Mort, it's my opinion that it has happened."
"OK, well, see you areound, Frank."
"Bye, Mort."
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Based on this I believe that CNN is still neutral as far as political bias.
So, you've done a study, then? Great, let's see your report.
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They have an equal share of both conservative and liberal journalist and that's why I consider them to be middle of the road.
Well, why don't you list them? Then we can really see if your factual claim is true.
Please list all of the journalists at CNN and what their political leaning is.
While you're at it, why don't you list the political bent of all of the editors at CNN, who are the people who get to decide which stories run. I also think it would be good to include the political leanings of the people at Time/Warner who oversee CNN, too.
BTW, I thought that journalists, in their reporting, weren't supposed to have a noticeable political lean. Commentators, yes, but not journalists.
This is what I see as part of the problem with much of the US news media these days, which is that they have followed Fox News in blurring the line between actual journalism/reporting and punditry and opinion.
For example, Wolf Blitzer was a straight ahead reporter for years, but now he does both news reporting and conservative opinion on CNN. How many people listen to what Wolf Blitzer says as a reporter, which are supposed to be just reported facts, and then watch him as a conservative commentator and also take his opinions as facts?
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I can provide articles as evidence showing CNN to be a left leaning organization and I'm sure you can find other evidence showing CNN's so called move to the right.
Please do provide those studies of trends showing the overall leftward slant of CNN on it's number of appearences of left leaning politicians, activists, guests on talk shows, experts, etc., compared to right-leaning.
I have provided quite a few showing that CNN has made moves rightward in order to attract more conservative viewers.
Aren't you going to comment upon any of my evidence?
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But what will that accomplish? Political bias in the media is relative to the competition. CNN is to the left of Fox but to the right of Democracy Now.
What it will accomplish is that we will have a much better basis to base one's opinion on other than "I've watched CNN a lot."
I agree that CNN is to the left of Fox, but that still doesn't mean that CNN hasn't moved rightward in order to try to capture more viewers. Isn't that what we are talking about?
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What on that page I linked you to is incorrect or inaccurate regarding CNN? Give me examples.
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I didn't say it was incorrect or inaccurate.
Then why do you discount it? The new president of CNN met with conservative lawmakers in congress to find out how he could appease them. Doesn't that sound like a shift to the right to you?
Just because a media watchdog group may lean left or right doesn't mean it is partisan.
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It seems you are using a definition for partisan that is different from mine. Leaning with a left or right bias is the meaning of partisan.
No, being partisan means you support a particular political party.
What is your evidence that F.A.I.R. is inaccurate or misleading?
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I didn't say F.A.I.R. is inaccurate or misleading, only biased.
Well, FAIR indicates quite convincingly that CNN has been moving to the political right.
If you cannot point out how they are misleading us or presenting inaccuracies as fact, then you must agree that CNN has, in fact, been moving rightward.
Why should I believe your personal opinion over FAIR's facts?
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nator
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Message 56 of 58 (198633)
04-12-2005 1:10 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by Monk
04-12-2005 12:53 PM


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I suppose I would be more willing to debate and provide facts and data in support of my opinion if the topic were less subjective. But political bias in the media is in the eye of the beholder.
That CNN has made a rightward shift over time is a pretty clear cut thing, and evidence could be compiled to show this, wouldn't you agree?
I have provided quite a few showing that CNN has made moves rightward in order to attract more conservative viewers.
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I only saw the Isaakson article in this thread.
There were two links in that message, the one you mention and the other, which was an entire page of FAIR reports on CNN. Here it is again:
CNN/Time Warner FAIR page
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